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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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shuttlt said:
Well, if that's what they were doing then that is terrible as well and there is some level of similarity in the nature of the terrible. People have to be allowed to vote without pressure. My feeling is that the left has a much greater level of cultural hegemony. I don't believe the right have the power to do what is being done to these lawyers. Cancel culture is overwhelmingly a tool of the left.
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Sweet effing jeebus the stink of apologism is overwhelming.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I accept the ballots were not scanned. I accept the ballots may have bypassed some of the system's internal processing. I do not accept that they were all delivered even if they pinky swear because the delivery was not confirmed.
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Your acceptance is not required.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Bob if Chris B was running the Postal service you can rest assured your ballot would have been scanned and confirmed when delivered.

There is no valid reason to bypass a security protocol. That's not acceptable.
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You sound like you're running the Trump legal defense. It has been explained by credible authorities that the USPS didn't scan some ballots to deliver them faster. No election authorities have claimed that any substantial number of ballots in their jurisdictions wasn't delivered or are missing. No substantial number of voters has claimed that their ballots weren't recorded in their state databases. Yet you insist that some terrible miscarriage of justice must have occurred because a standard processing step was bypassed under extraordinary circumstances. The absence of evidence must be concrete proof, right?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I would suggest you look into the 2000 election between Bush/Gore. Specifically the Florida recount.
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That was 500 votes in one state. Trump needs to overturn Pennsylvania where he trails by more 63K and other states where he trails by 10K, 14K and 20K. Not to mention losing the popular vote by 5,568,932 votes.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
You must be kidding. This is exactly how we do elections. Any contested results are recounted and once the recounts are complete the election is certified. Then comes the EC to cast their votes in December to elect the next President. How do you think we elect a President? CNN?
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Do I sound kidding? And it wasn't just CNN, it was NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, NY Times, the National Review, Cook Political, the Associated Press and pretty much every reputable and even semi-reputable media outlet. Just like they did for Trump four years ago.

Also, the counts have pretty much ended in the battleground states. Other than the recount in Georgia and a few ballots left in New York and California, this thing is OVER.

Time to put on your big boy pants and own up to the fact that you're a loser.
 
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Is tracking a security protocol? I’m not sure it is as much as a convenience for customers. Repeatedly insisting it is doesn’t make it so.
 
phiwum said:
The USPS said that they skipped a step in order to ensure that the ballots arrived on time. If they are correct that this was necessary, then the choice was between allowing some ballots to go unscanned or allowing some ballots to go undelivered until it was too late.

I'd rather accept the former. Clearly, you prefer the latter.
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That's the thing I don't get about this argument. The Postal Service was damned if they did and damned if they didn't expedite delivery. Whatever course of action the agency chose, there was going to be second-guessing. This handwringing about the "missing" ballots is pure virtue signaling.

Louis DeJoy bought the position of postmaster general with $1.2 million in donations to the GOP and he did what he could to sabotage the mail-in voting process. That's why I dropped my own ballot off rather than putting it in the mail - because that hack DeJoy was going to do whatever he could to help the Trump campaign. That's way more concerning to me than a missed delivery scan, but interestingly enough it's not the facet that Trump supporters are whining about.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
More to the point. The potential for fraud exists where it should not.
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
You must be kidding. This is exactly how we do elections. Any contested results are recounted and once the recounts are complete the election is certified. Then comes the EC to cast their votes in December to elect the next President. How do you think we elect a President? CNN?
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Your fuhrer lost. Get over it.
 
It’s absolutely, without question, worse to deny hundreds of thousands of votes due to slow shipping than it is to not scan them as delivered but deliver them anyway. I think it’s more for tracking purposes for the customer anyway, it’s not a security feature to track any other shipment but they do that anyway.
 
CNN, Nov. 14, 2020: Accused 'dead' voter in Georgia is alive and speaking out
 
acbytesla said:
That was 500 votes in one state. Trump needs to overturn Pennsylvania where he trails by more 63K and other states where he trails by 10K, 14K and 20K. Not to mention losing the popular vote by 5,568,932 votes.


Do I sound kidding? And it wasn't just CNN, it was NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, NY Times, the National Review, Cook Political, the Associated Press and pretty much every reputable and even semi-reputable media outlet. Just like they did for Trump four years ago.

Also, the counts have pretty much ended in the battleground states. Other than the recount in Georgia and a few ballots left in New York and California, this thing is OVER.

Time to put on your big boy pants and own up to the fact that you're a loser.
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I wonder, did you consider Al Gore as the elected President in 2000 prior to the results of the recount and EC vote?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I wonder, did you consider Al Gore as the elected President in 2000 prior to the results of the recount and EC vote?
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No. I went to bed, (Had a hot date*) only to wake up to the chaos the next morning.

*Those were the days when I still had hot dates.
 
acbytesla said:
No. I went to bed, (Had a hot date*) only to wake up to the chaos the next morning.

*Those were the days when I still had hot dates.
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And the next morning? Considering Gore had a lead in the popular vote.
If not then, when did you accept the winner?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
And the next morning? Considering Gore had a lead in the popular vote.
If not then, when did you accept the winner?
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What a silly question. If I recall correctly, by that time, Florida had been in Gore's column, then Bush's and then in the unknown column. No one on Wednesday morning was calling it for Gore, far as I recall.

The popular vote is irrelevant, for better or worse. The question was who won Florida. That wasn't settled until the SJC made their ruling. The two situations are not similar.

Every major news organization has projected Biden as the winner and official counts (some subject to recount) give Biden a strong lead in the relevant states (Georgia not too strong, but more than a recount changes, historically speaking).

Let's turn the question around. Did you pretend that the 2016 election was undecided until the EC met or the states certified their results? 'Cause I kinda doubt it.
 
shuttlt said:
Oh, ok. Well, I think that's bad and anybody who makes a call like that should be arrested, but I honestly don't think there is the same fear of violence and retribution from the right wing crazies as there is from the left wing crazies.
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Bollocks. You apear to be in denial of reality. There didn't seem to be any 'left-wing' groups running around gunfondling during the election and count, were there?
Most US domestic terrorism was, and is, perpetrated by right-wing nutters, mainly white supremacists. A fact you appear not to want to accept.
 
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