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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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ChrisBFRPKY said:
Meanwhile, later in the same sentence.......you find that instead of standing on high moral ground, the post appears to be standing on the deck of the Titanic.
Hilarious. Thank you for that.
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The part you quoted is the entire post. There is no later on.

But keep on playing, I'm sure there will be plenty of lifeboats after Lindsay Graham and Moscow Mitch jump ship.
 
Bob001 said:
That's not electronic voting. That's voting on paper and counting by machine. Electronic voting uses touch screens that record votes to memory cards, and often do not produce a paper trail. A "recount" just involves re-adding the machine's numbers; there's no original ballot. Theoretically, the proprietary software can be tampered with. (Problems have also been identified with electronic voter registration systems.)
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2004/11/the_problem_wit.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/us-voting-machines-paper-ballots-2020-hacking
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-machine-private-companies-voter-registration
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/election-security-hole-406471

The problems are recognized and understood, and many newer systems include a paper ballot. But "no-paper" systems are still widely used. That's a completely different set of problems from the frauds the Trumpers are alleging without evidence.
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The in person paper ballot in combination with the machine scanner/counter is pretty secure. In person voting is the way to go here IMO.

KY has had in my lifetime the old pull the curtain and push the lever machines that sounded like an old cash register, they then switched to the touchscreen computer I never liked, now the paper ballot filled in by hand and inserted into the computer/scanner/counter which pops up on the screen a nice flag and tells you your vote has been counted. Hurray!
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
The signature verification software/scanner issue is covered in the Clark County NV case.

https://thenevadaindependent.com/ar...omated-signature-verification-in-clark-county

One of the victims is named Jill Stokke. She's a blind person who went to the poll to vote on election day but was denied a vote as according to their records she had already voted by mail in ballot. She claims she had not. Yet the signature on her ballot was verified by machine. Of course the local election officials testified that the ballot signature matches the one on file.

It appears she wasn't the only person with a complaint. It does bring up an issue though whether she or the other people are lying or not.
The signature scanning device with "Agilis signature verification software" requires a minimum of 200dpi resolution to work properly yet they have been using DMV signatures that were scanned at less than 200dpi resolution. This is improper and likely renders the signature validation a sham. This is an issue that can be resolved.
It's ok to admit the Democrats never considered President Trump legitimate. It's not like it was a secret.
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There is a lot that would need to happen for someone to have stolen her ballot and got it counted.

Intercept the ballot (did she have a ballot mailed to her)?
Forge her signature
Have it pass your system you find fault with, but don't know the probability of it getting a false positive versus a negative.


Or a 79 year old woman forgot.
 
Meadmaker said:
They opened them. If that was illegal, then the ballots should be thrown out.
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It is illegal, law cited in the lawsuit. Here's another problem, how many did they open?

Here is another angle. I'm not sure this happened because I haven't seen anything yet either way, but if they discarded all the envelopes for the mail in ballots so that they couldn't be checked in a recount, it could nullify the whole batch. By law they have to keep them for 2 years.
 
pgwenthold said:
If R's voted in person, they had the opportunity right there to correct their ballots.
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You saying EVERY Republican voted in person? You got a cite for that pile of dog ******

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ChrisBFRPKY said:
The signature verification software/scanner issue is covered in the Clark County NV case.

https://thenevadaindependent.com/ar...omated-signature-verification-in-clark-county

One of the victims is named Jill Stokke. She's a blind person who went to the poll to vote on election day but was denied a vote as according to their records she had already voted by mail in ballot. She claims she had not. Yet the signature on her ballot was verified by machine. Of course the local election officials testified that the ballot signature matches the one on file.

It appears she wasn't the only person with a complaint. It does bring up an issue though whether she or the other people are lying or not.
The signature scanning device with "Agilis signature verification software" requires a minimum of 200dpi resolution to work properly yet they have been using DMV signatures that were scanned at less than 200dpi resolution. This is improper and likely renders the signature validation a sham. This is an issue that can be resolved.
It's ok to admit the Democrats never considered President Trump legitimate. It's not like it was a secret.
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This really is absurd Chris. This case was tossed. It was beyond absurd. Move on.

I'm a Democrat. I NEVER DOUBTED THE ELECTION IN 2016. My only complaint was that it didn't reflect the will of a a majority of American citizens that cast their votes in 2016.

I think 3 million votes demonstrates that more than 10,000 in Pennsylvania or Michigan or Wisconsin.
 
acbytesla said:
What bubble is that? Reality?

It's funny as hell hearing you project that.

Biden won this election by more than 5 million. And I'm in a bubble?
Biden was declared the winner by all the news networks and I'm in the bubble?
There have been 16 plus lawsuits challenging this election and almost all have been thrown out. And I am in a bubble?
Trump has had only minor victories, none of which materially change anything and yet I'm in the bubble?
And here you are presenting another frivolous lawsuit and my rolling my eyes and being highly skeptical means I'm in a bubble?

Trump has been saying for a year that he wasn't going to accept anything other than a win. He gaslights everyone for 4 years Almost 25 thousand ldocumented ies in less than 4 years.

But I'm the one in a bubble. :rolleyes:
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Yes, you're in a bubble. I haven't said whether I even think Trump can have the election overturned. You on the other hand are certain he won't. I have no clue. All I did was post something that seems like it's going to fall in his favor. And rather than read what I was posting for what it was, you chose to knee jerk fight it, and me for posting it. Instead of just rationally taking it for what it was.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
The signature verification software/scanner issue is covered in the Clark County NV case.

https://thenevadaindependent.com/ar...omated-signature-verification-in-clark-county

One of the victims is named Jill Stokke. She's a blind person who went to the poll to vote on election day but was denied a vote as according to their records she had already voted by mail in ballot. She claims she had not. Yet the signature on her ballot was verified by machine. Of course the local election officials testified that the ballot signature matches the one on file.

It appears she wasn't the only person with a complaint. It does bring up an issue though whether she or the other people are lying or not.
The signature scanning device with "Agilis signature verification software" requires a minimum of 200dpi resolution to work properly yet they have been using DMV signatures that were scanned at less than 200dpi resolution. This is improper and likely renders the signature validation a sham. This is an issue that can be resolved.
It's ok to admit the Democrats never considered President Trump legitimate. It's not like it was a secret.
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What resolution is the Nevada DMV using? I actually want to stop here because I'd bet a large sum that you don't know. But, as I'm not a gambler I'll give you then chance to make a better argument








If it is, in fact not the resolution required by election law, is it unreadable? If it is unreadable, why has it been accepted by the courts for so long? If it isn't unreadable, is this a nitpicky argument where nobody is actually claiming fraud, but dishonest people are just trying to find something, anything they can use to throw out valid ballots to install a dictator and kill democracy?
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
It is illegal, law cited in the lawsuit. Here's another problem, how many did they open?

Here is another angle. I'm not sure this happened because I haven't seen anything yet either way, but if they discarded all the envelopes for the mail in ballots so that they couldn't be checked in a recount, it could nullify the whole batch. By law they have to keep them for 2 years.
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That's why we have judges to listen to evidence and make decisions. We'll see, apparently tomorrow, if there's anything controversial in the final decision.

I actually very much like discussing legal issues, and delving into the details of them, but at the moment there is just too much unknown to me to try and figure it out at a deeper level. When the decision comes in, I'll see what it says and how it addresses the issues.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
They couldn't know exactly how many they'd need to swing the election. If it didn't look good for their candidate they'd have to stop counting and bring in more ballots.


As above you wouldn't know how many ballots you needed. One could start with a certain amount based on previous election results and add to that number if needed as above.
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Would that not require somewhere between tens and hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots to be ready and waiting across multiple states? Where are the reports of massive amounts of mail ballots that were never received? Should there not be thousands and thousands of people who didn't receive their ballot and tried to vote in person, aside from 1 blind lady who chose not to cast another ballot?

If the majority of fraudulent votes are being cast in the urban democratic areas, wouldn't stealing ballots from these areas result in stealing ballots that were likely to vote for Biden anyway? Are all the democrats who had their ballots stolen keeping quiet because they are all in on it?
 
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
One of the victims is named Jill Stokke. She's a blind person who went to the poll to vote on election day but was denied a vote as according to their records she had already voted by mail in ballot.
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She refused an opportunity to cast a provisional ballot.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
It's ok to admit the Democrats never considered President Trump legitimate. It's not like it was a secret.
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The transition proceeded without any tantrums from Obama.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
You saying EVERY Republican voted in person? You got a cite for that pile of dog ******
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What I see is an "if" statement. Not the claim you are alleging.

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BobTheCoward said:
There is a lot that would need to happen for someone to have stolen her ballot and got it counted.

Intercept the ballot (did she have a ballot mailed to her)?
Forge her signature
Have it pass your system you find fault with, but don't know the probability of it getting a false positive versus a negative.


Or a 79 year old woman forgot.
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Trump urged his supporters to try double-voting. She was just following his instructions.
 
Darat said:
Problem is that you have to explain how it could be done given the world we actually live in. From reading through just a few of the cases of not-fraud many of your suggestions wouldn't work in say PA because they have checks built into the system.

So as I asked above but I'll try to make it more explicit: how in a particular state that is meant to have been subject to election fraud this election could you have committed election fraud to change the result from Trump to Biden?
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But in many places those mentioned ideas would work.

I wouldn't, for free. I'd have to see a major consultation fee and guaranteed cash financing of millions....If I was going to risk prison it'd be for something worthy of the risk.
 
At the core, Trump's lawsuit charade is just another trick to convince his followers that they can't trust anyone but him: not the Democrats, not the Election officials, not the MSM and now not even the Courts and soon most Republicans, once they officially accept the Biden win.
Typical cult leader strategy.

Trump's theft of the GOP is complete.
 
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TahiniBinShawarma said:
Yes, you're in a bubble. I haven't said whether I even think Trump can have the election overturned. You on the other hand are certain he won't. I have no clue. All I did was post something that seems like it's going to fall in his favor. And rather than read what I was posting for what it was, you chose to knee jerk fight it, and me for posting it. Instead of just rationally taking it for what it was.
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That doesn't make it a bubble. I read the cases. I know a bit about the law but I'm not an expert. I've watched videos where lawyers with no political bias go over the merits of a dozen Trump lawsuits. The law doesn't provide for a do-over. Specific ballots must be identified and evidence must be provided and reasonable remedy must be provided. Throwing ballots out is a last resort.

I grant you I do have a kneejerk reaction to the avalanche of bs unloaded on the public for the last 4 years. Especially when the people chowing down on that diarrhea of lies repeat them as if it now it is a meal from a Michelin star restaurant.

For about a week now, I've read posts from you and others filled with nonsense claims of irregularities and fraud only to drill down into them to discover they are merit less. So you'll excuse me if when I see another one posted that I'm inclined to believe that youre just throwing more crap against the wall.

But I did read the documents and as far as I can tell we're only talking about a few votes and nothing that suggest any kind of remedy that could substantially cut into Biden's lead let alone flip a state.
 
The phone calls from Donald Trump have started back up, this time to keep Joe Biden from stealing the election. No mention of the fact that most of the money will not be used for that purpose.

You'd think people would get wise but they never do, judging by the success of TV evangelists.
 
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