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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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Nessie said:
Trump has tweeted;

"“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.” @ChanelRion
@OANN"
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Wow! First there was the big ask, now we have the big claim. Somehow all caps feels appropriate for it. He'll almost certainly crash and burn, but I do enjoy the ride.

Nessie said:
"This claim about election fraud is disputed"
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No kidding.
 
shuttlt said:
Wow! First there was the big ask, now we have the big claim. Somehow all caps feels appropriate for it. He'll almost certainly crash and burn, but I do enjoy the ride.
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Does it make your critical thinking skills feel all tingly ?
 
acbytesla said:
The Benford's law claim that the election data demonstrates fraud has been debunked and dismembered by mathmaticians. Benford's law doesn't prove fraud but only serves as a tool to spot possible statistical anomalies. There are already YouTube videos that explain this mathematical theory and how it applies to this claim.

Here is one of them posted by an Australian mathematician. Care to look at it Zig?

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For me, the strongest counter of the whole Benford's law nonsense is the fact that Ziggurat, after bringing it up, dropped it after justs seven posts. If I recall correctly, the guy is pretty smart and good with numbers (physicist?). He also appears to me like someone who loves to be right and who wouldn't miss an opportunity to demonstrate that, prefereably by giving the counterparts just enough rope at a time to hang themselves bit by bit. My guess is, he looked a bit deeper into the facts, and decided to stop riding a dead horse.
 
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Minoosh said:
It wasn't just the "other side." State officials nationwide, no matter what their political persuasion, denied allegations of widespread fraud and Trump's own commission did not turn up anything suspicious.
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I could have been more clear: There are scumbag Republicans and there are Republicans. Also, the "other side" means specifically those who don't care even a little bit about reality.
 
acbytesla said:
The Benford's law claim that the election data demonstrates fraud has been debunked and dismembered by mathmaticians. Benford's law doesn't prove fraud but only serves as a tool to spot possible statistical anomalies. There are already YouTube videos that explain this mathematical theory and how it applies to this claim.

Here is one of them posted by an Australian mathematician. Care to look at it Zig?

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Exactly. I've used Benford's Law in detecting fraud and unusual activity patterns; I've also tallied and I'm confident I know vastly more about the stats of elections/voting patterns than Ziggy.

It seems all the US Republicans have is pathetic, childish whining about their Trump losing and a level of intellectual stupidity that I'd normally associate with the Birthers and 911 Truthers.
 
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Team Trump gets a minor victory

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-court-secretary-of-state-changed-deadline
A Pennsylvania judge ruled in favor of the Trump campaign Thursday, ordering that the state may not count ballots where the voters needed to provide proof of identification and failed to do so by Nov. 9.

State law said that voters have until six days after the election — this year that was Nov. 9 — to cure problems regarding a lack of proof of identification. After the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that mail-in ballots could be accepted three days after Election Day, Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar submitted guidance that said proof of identification could be provided up until Nov. 12, which is six days from the ballot acceptance deadline. That guidance was issued two days before Election Day.
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The court had previously ordered that all ballots where voters provided proof of identification between Nov. 10 and 12 should be segregated until a ruling was issued determining what should be done with them.


So a few ... dozen ? Hundred ? of votes that haven't been counted still won't be counted.
 
catsmate said:
Exactly. I've used Benford's Law in detecting fraud and unusual activity patterns; I've also tallied and I'm confident I know vastly more about the stats of elections/voting patterns than Ziggy.

It seems all the US Republicans have is pathetic, childish whining about their Trump losing and a level of intellectual stupidity that I'd normally associate with the Birthers and 911 Truthers.
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The thing is, they ARE Birthers and 911 Truthers. And purveyors of all the other whacko and crackpot conspiracies in between.
 
ZeeGerman said:
For me, the strongest counter of the whole Benford's law nonsense is the fact that Ziggurat, after bringing it up, dropped it after justs seven posts. If I recall correctly, the guy is pretty smart and good with numbers (physicist?). He also appears to me like someone who loves to be right and who wouldn't miss an opportunity to demonstrate that, prefereably by giving the counterparts just enough rope at a time to hang themselves bit by bit. My guess is, he looked a bit deeper into the facts, and decided to stop riding a dead horse.
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There is an interesting human phenomenon taking place before our vey eyes. A herd like mentality and individuals desperately grasping at straw after straw. I actually understand what is going on with Trump. I even understand why some even many march to his pipe. But for others it remains a mystery.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Team Trump gets a minor victory

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-court-secretary-of-state-changed-deadline
A Pennsylvania judge ruled in favor of the Trump campaign Thursday, ordering that the state may not count ballots where the voters needed to provide proof of identification and failed to do so by Nov. 9.

State law said that voters have until six days after the election — this year that was Nov. 9 — to cure problems regarding a lack of proof of identification. After the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that mail-in ballots could be accepted three days after Election Day, Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar submitted guidance that said proof of identification could be provided up until Nov. 12, which is six days from the ballot acceptance deadline. That guidance was issued two days before Election Day.
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The court had previously ordered that all ballots where voters provided proof of identification between Nov. 10 and 12 should be segregated until a ruling was issued determining what should be done with them.


So a few ... dozen ? Hundred ? of votes that haven't been counted still won't be counted.
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Which basically changes.....wait for it.

NOTHING
 
The believer's catechism:

1. I believe in ballot fraud.
2. Thus, evidence of ballot must exist.
3. But this evidence never comes to light. Therefore
4. SOMEBODY'S COVERING UP!

For ballot fraud, substitute UFOs, or Greys, or healing crystals, or tarot, or

The fun never stops. Well, why would it?
 
catsmate said:
It seems all the US Republicans have is pathetic, childish whining about their Trump losing and a level of intellectual stupidity that I'd normally associate with the Birthers and 911 Truthers.
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I think this focus on Benford's Law resembles Harrit's "aluminum in the dust" argument.
 
Norman Alexander said:
The thing is, they ARE Birthers and 911 Truthers. And purveyors of all the other whacko and crackpot conspiracies in between.
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What's got me disappointed is how many people that would dig into a 911 Truther or Birther like an astute insurance investigator are uncritically believing so many poorly supported claims about this election.
 
gnome said:
What's got me disappointed is how many people that would dig into a 911 Truther or Birther like an astute insurance investigator are uncritically believing so many poorly supported claims about this election.
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It's really sad and depresses me. My mom is falling into it, and it really hurts. My parents were visiting us in Philadelphia on saturday, she noticed a lot of helicopters heading downtown. I told her they'll be around for a while because it's going to be boisterous down there because all the major news outlets called PA for Biden, which gives him the win.

She then started going on about how the news shouldn't make the call because off all the false votes, etc. I had to cut her off right there and just walk away.
 
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