Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

[johnny karate]

Let’s face it there is no over reaching plan being implemented, this isn’t some grand strategy from Trump.

Unless getting savagely dunked on over and over again is a strategy.

 

[slyjoe]

Rule no.1 .1

You don't even need to look beyond this. Simply getting US postal workers and 'poll observers' to jot down their observations doesn't constitute particularisation, nor does it specify which law has been broken. There is not even prima facie evidence.

Regarding lawyer sanctions for not having evidence:

Lawyers who go to court without evidence for their cases should be sanctioned with mandatory fines, and they should not be given any opportunity to correct their errors by withdrawing frivolous filings.

- Justice Antonin Scalia, hero of the right, 1993

 

[turingtest]

Every single thing I said was verifiable fact AND for your information I've never been violent to another person in my life. Not a violent person at all.

Haha... good one.

Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank View Post
I wish the police were just straight up opening fire on these groups of protestors at this point

Well, to be fair to ST, his claim to be personally non-violent could technically still be true, since he seems willing (even eager) to let other people do the violence he'd like to see done.

 

[dudalb]

I ownder ow many judges are dismissing the lawsuits "with prejudice",,,which means "Don't bother me with this xrap again".

 

[CORed]

That's a far more obvious answer than any I thought of. The attorneys want money. The clients have unrealistic expectations which the attorneys feed.

If I should ever feel the need to file a civil suit, the first question I will ask any attorney I am considering to represent me is, "Will you take this case on a contingency fee?". If I can't find one who will answer "Yes.", I will forget about it.

 

[Nessie]

Trump has tweeted;

"“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.” @ChanelRion
@OANN"

Twitter has added;

"This claim about election fraud is disputed"

 

[Elagabalus]

If things are as bad as this fellow says, an audit will make it clear fairly quickly.

One of the interesting things is that, unlike any of the others that I have seen, actually has a specific name, that of his supervisor, in the affidavit. That at least gives some sort of opportunity to check out part of his story.


One thing I have to wonder about is what the process of these ballot watchers is to report complaints, and if the complaints were recorded. Something that strikes me in so many of the affidavits are statements like, "At some point I saw someone violate the rules by...."

If I were doing the count observer's job, I'm pretty sure I would have a pen and paper with me, and would be writing down, "While observing at Table 16 at 4:04 am, I observed a poll worker run the same batch of ballots twice." Assuming there was some sort of system in place to record that sort of thing, I would make sure to put in an official report.

Maybe they didn't have such a system. That would be rather embarrassing. I've been involved in some pretty amateurish event planning activities, like at Robotics competitions, and we have forms that get filled out to record the occurrence of unusual activities. You would think a group like this would have something similar, but maybe not.

ETA: And, I think I must have clicekd the big grin smiley by mistake, but can't seem to edit it out. Sorry if that causes any confusion.

I thought about this as well. Although, IMO the system, as it stands right now, seems disinclined to stop observers from acting like dicks.

 

[Meadmaker]

I thought about this as well. Although, IMO the system, as it stands right now, seems disinclined to stop observers from acting like dicks.

Some of the complaints were involving workers cheering as observers got ejected from the hall, so it seems like there was at least some inclination to stop anti-social behavior from observers.

The complaints, of course, attributed the cheering to the ideology of the ejected observer versus the ideology of the election workers, but I think that alternative, not necessarily ideological, explanations also exist.

(A common complaint seemed to be that the dumbass wouldn't wear his mask properly, and insisted on breaking the six foot rule. This one is, unfortunately, correlated with ideology, but it shouldn't be, and ideology wasn't the immediate concern. I think the election workers' concern was that some dumbass who didn't believe the coronavirus was real insisted on breathing on them.)

 

[Vixen]

Trump has tweeted;

"“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.” @ChanelRion
@OANN"

Twitter has added;

"This claim about election fraud is disputed"

I just had a look and he has also tweeted - about two hours ago - the following:

".
@FoxNews
daytime ratings have completely collapsed. Weekend daytime even WORSE. Very sad to watch this happen, but they forgot what made them successful, what got them there. They forgot the Golden Goose. The biggest difference between the 2016 Election, and 2020, was
@FoxNews
!"


The 'Golden Goose': every egg it laid was gold.

 

[Minoosh]

It's amazing to me that scumbag Republicans pretend that there is large-scale voter fraud whether they win or lose. All the same speculations were being generated by the same evidence-averse people four years ago, and the same people were on the other side telling them that they were full of ****...and for the last four years no evidence of widespread voter fraud in 2016 was found.

Pathetic.

It wasn't just the "other side." State officials nationwide, no matter what their political persuasion, denied allegations of widespread fraud and Trump's own commission did not turn up anything suspicious.

 

[catsmate]

Well, yes. That link shows a statistical analysis of voting results which violate Benford's Law. Given that it is only Biden's votes which show this strong deviation, not Trump's or other candidates, that is itself evidence of fraud.

Again, utter bollocks. You have no idea what you;re talking about. Voting numbers do not follow Benford's Law; you are either grossly ignorant (and should therefore educate yourself) or deliberately lying. Which is it?

Is there some reason to assume votes will follow Benfords Law, while US populations don't?

Absolutely none, this has been debunked even before Ziggy spewed his nonsense.

Eta: also is there a compelling reason to assume "Himilaya Australia" got the numbers correct on his personal and obscure blog?

Probably even less/

We don't have to assume votes follow Benford's Law, we can observe that they do.

A lie.

You seem to assume it hasn't been or won't be presented. I very much doubt that.

Let's see this "evidence" then.

 

[catsmate]

Has anyone addressed the fact that all State Officials say there was no significant problem?
This is not a Trump-Biden issue, this is a Trump-State issue.

Well no, as with most conspiracy nuts they prefer to spew ignorance rather than accept unpleasant realities.

 

[catsmate]

Has Orly entered the fray yet?

Is she still around? I thought she was dead or institutionalised.

 

[catsmate]

Massachusettes had more votes for Biden in 2020 than Hillary in 2016. 2,236,646 to 1,995,196.

It's almost as if more people were alive and voting.....

 

[catsmate]

Kassam follows up with:


No, negative values for "People who voted ONLY for Biden/Trump and didn't vote further down the ticket" means your "continued statistical analysis" makes no sense.

Given that it's Raheem Kassam my default assumption is "he's lying".

 

[catsmate]

Apply Benford's Law to the vote total and activity by precincts. Since Benford's Law is empirical, it is recognized as valid for detecting fraud in accounting ledgers. Math doesn't care if you're Republican, Democrat or Independent...

At least this method does away with hyperbole.

Nonsense.

 

[catsmate]

Sure, but elections are the type of process that generates results that fit Benford's law... that's why it's used as a test for election fraud.

No and no.

 

[Minoosh]

It could be a smoke screen, there is no way to know at this stage, but again... there are an awful lot of witnesses who seem to be claiming at the very least appalling lax practices at the count.

An awful lot relative to what?

Trump has no problem lying to benefit himself; we know that. Trump supporters emulate him, so my guess is that they have no problem lying to benefit Trump, either. I"m not calling them all liars, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if some were substantially stretching the truth. Plus much of it seems to be based on things they overheard, or that someone else overheard.

Motivated reasoning is a bias we probably all carry, but if we're aware of that we can try to compensate. I'm not sure Trump supporters get that far - they hear something, it fits their prior belief and that's the end of it as far as they're concerned. They don't stop to question the quality of their evidence. I'm not sure it even occurs to them.

 

[CORed]

I’ve been through all the links in the thread and none seem to tie in with one? I’m not from the USA so my lack of knowledge of which city/town/county is in which state may mean I’ve mentally assigned one of the cases to the wrong state.

If the name of the town is "Springfield" it could be in any state.

 

[acbytesla]

Again, utter bollocks. You have no idea what you;re talking about. Voting numbers do not follow Benford's Law; you are either grossly ignorant (and should therefore educate yourself) or deliberately lying. Which is it?


Absolutely none, this has been debunked even before Ziggy spewed his nonsense.


Probably even less/


A lie.



Let's see this "evidence" then.

The Benford's law claim that the election data demonstrates fraud has been debunked and dismembered by mathmaticians. Benford's law doesn't prove fraud but only serves as a tool to spot possible statistical anomalies. There are already YouTube videos that explain this mathematical theory and how it applies to this claim.

Here is one of them posted by an Australian mathematician. Care to look at it Zig?