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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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Dave Rogers said:
No, the best we can do is look at the allegations, engage our critical faculties, and note that, whenever they've been presented to a court, they've either been misleading, incoherent or haven't actually involved allegations of actual fraud. Anyone with an impartial point of view must seriously consider the possibility that the whole thing is a smokescreen, and wonder, if so, what's going on behind it.

Dave
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It could be a smoke screen, there is no way to know at this stage, but again... there are an awful lot of witnesses who seem to be claiming at the very least appalling lax practices at the count.
 
shuttlt said:
Wouldn't this same argument make organized crime impossible?
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Maybe, but the point is it would make organized crime pointless to worry about unless there was evidence that it was actually happening.

Just like this.

You can't go "Okay here is some scenario I made up where organized crime could happen, now I demand you charge these people under RICO." like you're doing, and will now pretend you are not doing, and probably get huffy about being accused of doing.

Again your fan fiction is not the same thing as "allegation."
 
JoeMorgue said:
Maybe, but the point is it would make organized crime pointless to worry about unless there was evidence that it was actually happening.

Just like this.

You can't go "Okay here is some scenario I made up where organized crime could happen, now I demand you charge these people under RICO." like you're doing, and will now pretend you are not doing, and probably get huffy about being accused of doing.

Again your fan fiction is not the same thing as "allegation."
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It's not my "fan fiction". A few days ago there were 232 pages of affidavits. Who knows how many hundred there are now. You've either got a whole bunch of people lying on one side, or a whole bunch of people lying on the other. It's going to need an investigation. At the very least it's evidence of some **** hole country level election practices.
 
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shuttlt said:
Assumes facts not in evidence.
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You can't keep what year the election is happening straight in your own fan fiction about other people's fan fiction. You're so far in a post-fact bubble you might as well be on an Interdimensional Cable episode of Rick & Morty.

There... was... no... election... fraud... on... a... scale... to... effect... the... election.
 
shuttlt said:
It could be a smoke screen, there is no way to know at this stage, but again... there are an awful lot of witnesses who seem to be claiming at the very least appalling lax practices at the count.
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Oooh, I know this dance. It's called the Conspiracy Theorist's Backstep. Here are the steps:

Lead: There's lots of proof of a massive conspiracy.
Partner: What proof is that?
Lead: Here's proof of something that isn't a conspiracy.
Partner: That's not proof, it's weak evidence.
Lead: Yes, but there's a lot of it!
Partner: But none of it is at all convincing, and none of it addresses the conspiracy you say you have proof of.
Lead: Yes, but you can't prove it's false, so I win.

Dave
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I didn't get one. And since there's no evidence to the contrary I guess that means I never went above the posted speed limit ever. Hurray!
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Maybe. But we know for a fact that 40 million other people did.

All jokes aside. I think everyone will rest easier once the facts about the vote count are revealed. If there is no significant manipulation of the vote in any of the swing states then all is well with the American election system. I just hope we can determine why some states are still counting votes more than a week after election day and are not called by now.
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I’m not sure who the “we” is in that last sentence. People who aren’t delusional conspiracy theorists aren’t struggling with the realities of the ballot counting process.
 
Conspiracy Theoriests; people who don't understand a puddle doesn't get any deeper the wider it is.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
That's interesting news about Oregon. Have you had any Republicans elected since switching to the mail in system? When was the last time Oregon went Red? Reagan?

Some states have signature verification software that requires a minimum of 200 dpi at the machine to read the signature properly. Yet their machines can't read at 200 dpi. Foresee any issues with that? Someone could have had their ballot stolen yet the machine may have recorded the forged signature as valid. That's an issue worthy of correction.

I'm confident the election will be fair and most fraudulent votes will be removed from the system. Especially since any forged ballots will be identified by the watermark.

About the "Trump and his sycophantic GOP minions and online supporters need to stop spreading false information about massive voter fraud cheating Trump out of this election." part.

I think after hearing about how Trump and Russia stole the election 4 years ago for the entire 4 years since, Beijing Biden supporters should expect no less if their candidate happens to cross the finish line first.
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Well, I'll tell you- if the evidence you guys bring to the table to support whatever you decide to accuse Biden of later is no better than what you're laying on the table to support what you think may have been done now, I, for one, won't lose a lick of sleep over the posturings of a bunch of pouty sore losers.
 
I'm amazed at how much of the Republican side has really fallen for the "Being factually correct is just an unfair advantage" thing.

"You accused our candidate of cheating after he cheated, therefore it's only fair that we get to accuse your candidate of cheating after he didn't cheat."
 
shuttlt said:
This is only important if the people running the process actually follow the election law. The claim is that they haven't, hence the law in the state isn't relevant.
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What evidence is there to support this claim?
 
shuttlt said:
The burden of proof is something Trump is going to have to worry about in court and in the PR battle. You are dreaming if you expect random people on the internet to prove the case at this stage. The best we can do is look at a probably cause standard.
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No evidence then, thanks.
 
shuttlt said:
It could be a smoke screen, there is no way to know at this stage, but again... there are an awful lot of witnesses who seem to be claiming at the very least appalling lax practices at the count.
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Again, thank you for admitting that you have no evidence.
 
shuttlt said:
It could be a smoke screen, there is no way to know at this stage, but again... there are an awful lot of witnesses who seem to be claiming at the very least appalling lax practices at the count.
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How many is “an awful lot” 60, 50..... 70?
 
shuttlt said:
It's not my "fan fiction". A few days ago there were 232 pages of affidavits. Who knows how many hundred there are now. You've either got a whole bunch of people lying on one side, or a whole bunch of people lying on the other. It's going to need an investigation. At the very least it's evidence of some **** hole country level election practices.
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Do you accept claims as evidence?
 
shuttlt said:
It's not my "fan fiction". A few days ago there were 232 pages of affidavits. Who knows how many hundred there are now. You've either got a whole bunch of people lying on one side, or a whole bunch of people lying on the other. It's going to need an investigation. At the very least it's evidence of some **** hole country level election practices.
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One affidavit could be 232 pages....

How many actual unique affidavits are you referring to with your claim of 232 pages? 70?
 
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