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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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Nessie said:
Got this from twitter, posted a few minutes ago;

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1326245845671481351

"Biden leads

Arizona: 14,746
Georgia: 12,567
Nevada: 36,274
Pennsylvania: 47,483"

Again, for that to be down to voter fraud would require a fraudulent scheme on a scale previously unknown.

The exceptional claim that is down to voter fraud will, of course, require exceptional evidence.
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The Chicago election in 1982 (city in Illinois) was verified as having at least 100,000 fraudulent votes by the FBI. The amount of votes you have presented is close to this figure and would be spread out in multiple states; it is doable. I would be surprised to learn of such a monumental conspiracy occurring.
 
smartcooky said:
Agree. They would still have to have a nationwide fraud scheme because just committing this kind of fraud in targeted states would be too easy to spot. The vote for Biden nationwide appears to have caught these swing states and taken them along for the ride.
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It really feels like they want to try for an electoral version of "fruit of the poisonous tree", as if there were such a thing.
"Ha! These 15 votes are invalid due to a technicality. You have to negate every vote cast for Joe Biden in the entire state now! We win!"
 
ServiceSoon said:
The Chicago election in 1982 (city in Illinois) was verified as having at least 100,000 fraudulent votes by the FBI. The amount of votes you have presented is close to this figure and would be spread out in multiple states; it is doable. I would be surprised to learn of such a monumental conspiracy occurring.
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Not unheard of though. If you were ever going to cheat, you'd cheat to remove orange Hitler, wouldn't you?
 
No Other said:
I want to see how Dave will demonstrate the fallibility of Benford's Law regarding this election... If he is successful, then I have learned something.
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#1 it has been explained several times in this thread already. That you cannot understand or remember the explanation doesn't give anyone a good reason to explain it for the...4th time I think?

#2 why not ask your father or your son, as you claim they're good at the number stuff? Apparently it skips a generation?
 
ServiceSoon said:
The Chicago election in 1982 (city in Illinois) was verified as having at least 100,000 fraudulent votes by the FBI. The amount of votes you have presented is close to this figure and would be spread out in multiple states; it is doable. I would be surprised to learn of such a monumental conspiracy occurring.
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I've seen that fraud was alleged, but not "verified" by the FBI. In any case, the candidate who was favored to win still won.
 
Dave Rogers said:
You cannot investigate [mandate an official investigation]...

... Unless you investigate [carry out your own unofficial investigation]

Dave
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Your contention with me previously saying, “You cannot investigate unless you have evidence, but you cannot get evidence unless you investigate” is that an investigation can be conducted in an official or unofficial capacity? Therefore the word I used ‘investigate’ has a different meaning before the comma than after the comma?
 
wareyin said:
I've seen that fraud was alleged, but not "verified" by the FBI. In any case, the candidate who was favored to win still won.
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And even if verified, there's still a pretty long step from showing how a fraud was carried out almost 40 years ago to showing that it happened that way this time. I could show a method for breaking into a house in the early 1980's; that says nothing at all as evidence for how someone may have done it today. At this point, it's completely irrelevant.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I think the scenario of state legislatures interfering is probably the one to be most worried about right now. Biden's win was large enough with on-time votes on election day that the feared avenues of legal challenge seem like long-shots.

Ginning up propaganda that the vote was rigged might not sway the courts, but it could certainly give political cover to state reps who want to nullify the losing vote.
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THe GOP Is olyaing with fire. If they try what amounts to a coup it would set off a second civil war.
 
Horatius said:
Yes, that's technically a possibility. But using the excuse of a minor violation of election laws that produced no discernible effect on the outcome of the election to go straight to the nuclear option of invalidating the entire election and reversing the outcome of the election would be the death knell for democracy in the United States.

And it wouldn't even change who will be President come January 20th, because even nuking this one state's election results wouldn't be enough.

The legislators would all have be be literally insane to take this stance in reality. I'm sure there are a few who are that insane, but I'm pretty sure there aren't enough.
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Have you considered that is what the GOP wants?
 
No Other said:
I want to see how Dave will demonstrate the fallibility of Benford's Law regarding this election... If he is successful, then I have learned something.
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You've studied more math than I have.

What probability distribution would you expect from precinct vote totals?

Would you expect it to be a sum, or a product, or a Gaussian?

You have all the knowledge you need to solve this problem.
 
wareyin said:
I've seen that fraud was alleged, but not "verified" by the FBI. In any case, the candidate who was favored to win still won.
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Not only verified but convictions:
In what is considered the largest documented case of vote fraud in Chicago`s history, a federal grand jury returned 62 indictments that resulted in 58 convictions of election judges, precinct captains and other campaign workers in the 1982 election. The investigation began with FBI agents using a voter check similar to the random precinct canvass employed by the election board.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-03-08-8701180815-story.html

But the major difference here is that we're talking about several states now, not a single city. The complexity in pulling off such a fraud in several states is monumental compared to in just Chicago.
 
Meadmaker said:
It would seem odd to me that a group of people who came to power by being elected would seek to get rid of elections.
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Really? They climb the ladder and pull it up behind themselves. If getting rid of elections let's them keep power, why wouldn't they do it? The Republicans have adopted a radical extremist philosophy that a majority of Americans reject. If every American voted, Repubs would rarely win anything. They benefit from sabotaging elections.
 
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A Pennsylvania postal worker whose claims have been cited by top Republicans as potential evidence of widespread voting irregularities admitted to U.S. Postal Service investigators that he fabricated the allegations, according to three people briefed on the investigation and a statement from a House congressional committee.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/postal-worker-fabricated-ballot-pennsylvania/2020/11/10/99269a7c-2364-11eb-8599-406466ad1b8e_story.html

Imagine my shock. Telling ******** conspiracy theories to Project Veritas is one thing, but lying under oath to a federal investigator is another.

A GoFundMe page created under Hopkins’ name had raised more than $135,000 by Tuesday evening, with donors praising him as a patriot and whistleblower.
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Telling facebook boomers what they want to hear remains a profitable endeavor.
 
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