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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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Skeptic Tank said:
I'd be curious to hear thoughts on this thread:

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Kassam follows up with:

TRUMP TOP TICKET ONLY:

Pennsylvania - Negative (-57,795)
Georgia - Negative (-28,955)
Arizona - 20,683
Michigan 31,538
Wisconsin Negative (50,254)

Negative values probably means there was crossover and they prob voted for Trump and a Democrat lower.
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No, negative values for "People who voted ONLY for Biden/Trump and didn't vote further down the ticket" means your "continued statistical analysis" makes no sense.
 
Paul2 said:
You might want to critically examine this claim, rather than just accepting it, kinda like Meadmaker and I did with your post about more votes for Hillary and Obama than Biden by state. It took me about 3 minutes to find a defeater for that claim, MeadM found another one. How many more do we need before that claim goes away?
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That is apparently quite common in presidential elections.
 
Childlike Empress said:
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Okay.

There has been no meaningful evidence of any fraud/tampering (except from the Republicans) in the 2020 election and anyone who says differently is a either an intentional liar or being intentionally ignorant with an agenda.

Do you have any facts beyond that?
 
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I posted this in the other election thread...but it works here too.

It should be noticed by Trump and the GOP that the margins in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are greater for Biden now than they were for Trump in 2016.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Okay.
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You misread my post. I have other things to deal with at the moment but got value out of this thread. Which is not too rare (otherwise I wouldn't be here), but also not very common because of a lot of noise. I just wanted to encourage people to stay on the very important issue we are dealing with here, and I am undecided about as most of the readers will be.
 
I get the impression that most of the 'election skeptics' would not be going crazy had Trump not conditioned them to believe this for months in advance. He did it in 2016 too.

There are legitimate concerns in almost every election. It's a big process performed independently among the states and there are bound to be issues---why all this noise NOW?
 
Skeptic Tank said:
A country which only gives white men a say, will tend to be a much more pleasant, agreeable, and advantageous place to live FOR white men.

As a white man, I naturally prefer to live in a society that reflects my group's values and best interests and is set up to cater to us and keep us at the top.

It would be insanity to feel otherwise.
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Something stincts in here.
 
Paul2 said:
You might want to critically examine this claim, rather than just accepting it, kinda like Meadmaker and I did with your post about more votes for Hillary and Obama than Biden by state. It took me about 3 minutes to find a defeater for that claim, MeadM found another one. How many more do we need before that claim goes away?
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I opened FB and Quora, both are full of posts repeating ST's false stats. Easily, very easily and quickly debunked. Yet the true believers run with it faster than the reality based community can keep up. Its a never ending Gish Gallop.
 
Apply Benford's Law to the vote total and activity by precincts. Since Benford's Law is empirical, it is recognized as valid for detecting fraud in accounting ledgers. Math doesn't care if you're Republican, Democrat or Independent...

At least this method does away with hyperbole.
 
Just to continue playing this game...

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It seems odd to me that Biden got fewer votes than Obama or Hillary in every state other than Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
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California has 600,000 more votes for Biden than Clinton, but in fairness, we haven't finished counting. Biden's so stupid for cheating in California. Hillary tried that four years ago and got caught.
 
No Other said:
Apply Benford's Law to the vote total and activity by precincts. Since Benford's Law is empirical, it is recognized as valid for detecting fraud in accounting ledgers. Math doesn't care if you're Republican, Democrat or Independent...

At least this method does away with hyperbole.
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I'm guessing you posted this without reading the contents of the thread.

No problem. We all do that, but I'd encourage you to go back and read the posts related to Benford's law (you can use the "thread tools" for searching to see most of them.)

Short summary: Due to the near uniform size of precincts, Benford's law would not be expected to apply to activity by precincts.
 
Benford's Law is like Benford's Love, hard and fast.

*Resigned, annoyed Kip voice* "That's Brannigan's Law, sir."

Ah yes I see. Kip I have made it with a woman, inform the crew.
 
Myriad said:
No, negative values for "People who voted ONLY for Biden/Trump and didn't vote further down the ticket" means your "continued statistical analysis" makes no sense.
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Elaborate. For me it sounds like the person who analysed that data found that a lot of BIDEN voters in Pennsylvania didn't vote for any local politicians (98,000-57,795). Is that what is meant, and backed by data? Or am I misreading something?
 
Meadmaker said:
I picked a state in the middle of the map, Missouri.

2020 - 1.24 Million votes for Biden (41.3%)
2016 - 1.07 Million votes for Clinton (37.9%)

ETA: I'm confident that that trend would continue in darned near every state of the union. That's why I picked one without even looking. I knew what I would find.
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Arizona.
Obama in 2008 got 1,034,707
Obama in 2012 got 1,025,232
Hillary got 1,161,167
Biden currently has 1,644,260

Of course, Arizona had "them damn Injuns" coming out to vote in droves this year.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
It seems odd to me that Biden got fewer votes than Obama or Hillary in every state other than Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
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Cain said:
Just to continue playing this game..

California has 600,000 more votes for Biden than Clinton, but in fairness, we haven't finished counting. Biden's so stupid for cheating in California. Hillary tried that four years ago and got caught.
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Just to show how full of crap Tank's claims are.

Washington State,
2016. Hillary 1,742,718 54.3%
2020 Biden 2, 303,430 58.8%
Oregon
2016 Hillary 1,002,106 50.07%
2020 Biden. 1,318,475. 57.00 %
California
2016 Hillary 8,753,788. Percentage 61.73 %
2020 Biden. 9,304,895 * Percentage 64.60 %

*93 percent tallied
 
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dudalb said:
Hey, guys arguing with a Neo Nazi is a exercise in futility....
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My goal in starting this thread was not to convince Skeptic Tank. It would be kind of foolish to think that was possible, based on history.

However, these allegations are being tossed around by a lot of people, including, especially, POTUS. I thought that by having a thread where talk of this is concentrated, it would make the counterarguments easier to find. ST and others will serve up whatever's being tossed around the internet for us, so we don't have to go looking.


And if I, or anyone else, did convince Skeptic Tank? Well, that would be an awesome bonus, wouldn't it? I'm just not counting on it.
 
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