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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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It seems odd to me that Biden got fewer votes than Obama or Hillary in every state other than Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
It seems odd to me that Biden got fewer votes than Obama or Hillary in every state other than Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
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That does seem odd. Why were so many votes in Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin cast for people who weren't even running? This should be investigated.
 
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We know Biden cheated. We just need to figure out how.
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The fun thing about this sort of investigation is that it makes just as much sense for the other side until actual evidence is found. It's Schrödinger's evidence. Until you find it, you won't know whether it was Trump or Biden who cheated.
 
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What we are seeing in the data is astronomically out of whack with 2016.

In 2016 there was a circa 150k difference in top ticket only voting between Trump and Clinton.

This year shows a circa 500k difference.

It’s just not credible.
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Look at Virginia. There were 107,000 ballots with a vote for president and not for the congressional race in VA district 1 alone.

There were only 14,000 like this in 2016.
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I'd be curious to hear thoughts on this thread:

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Is there any comparison (by proportion) to other years besides 2016?

I'm also curious how it correlates with higher turnout.
 
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xjx388 said:
From what I've seen, it seems the Trump team is making broad claims in public but their lawsuits are much more focused and not likely to succeed. Looks to me like a show to rile up the base and start getting them to protest and demand a new election or something.

I heard Huckabee on the radio this morning saying something about how there were so many tickets that voted Republican -except for Trump. He was incredulous that those were valid votes. Shouldn't that tell you something, Mike, that so many otherwise Republican supporters refused to vote for Trump?
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Think that is reality, Trump is throwing a tantrum and to try and calm him down they are saying “we are suing”, whilst of course they can’t sue based on the grievance Trump has, which is “I wanna WIN!!!!!” They have to come up with something they can at least put down on paper.
 
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It seems odd to me that Biden got fewer votes than Obama or Hillary in every state other than Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
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I picked a state in the middle of the map, Missouri.

2020 - 1.24 Million votes for Biden (41.3%)
2016 - 1.07 Million votes for Clinton (37.9%)

ETA: I'm confident that that trend would continue in darned near every state of the union. That's why I picked one without even looking. I knew what I would find.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
It seems odd to me that Biden got fewer votes than Obama or Hillary in every state other than Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
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Massachusettes had more votes for Biden in 2020 than Hillary in 2016. 2,236,646 to 1,995,196.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
It seems odd to me that Biden got fewer votes than Obama or Hillary in every state other than Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
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You mean, where likely most of their campaign efforts were concentrated?
 
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If someone says "I used to be in the mafia and I had knowledge of mafia hits that were undertaken. This guy who just washed up on the shore has all the telltale signs of a mafia hit, and he was exactly the type of guy they would put a hit out on. He had such and such information and was threatening to expose it..."

It doesn't make sense to say "oh well then why don't you go to the cops and prove it?"

He isn't saying he knows it for a fact, he's saying that as someone who is familiar with the methods of operation, what he's seeing fits the pattern perfectly.
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Do you feel you make sense, in the actual context?

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Skeptic Tank said:
I'd be curious to hear thoughts on this thread:

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"People care about the Presidency more than they care about acknowledging the candidacy of the local Secretary of the Water Commission who's running unopposed. Film at eleven."
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
I'd be curious to hear thoughts on this thread:

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You might want to critically examine this claim, rather than just accepting it, kinda like Meadmaker and I did with your post about more votes for Hillary and Obama than Biden by state. It took me about 3 minutes to find a defeater for that claim, MeadM found another one. How many more do we need before that claim goes away?
 
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You mean, where likely most of their campaign efforts were concentrated?
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Don't fall for the trick of getting into an explanation of why, before finding out whether the assertion is true.

The assertion is false. Biden got more votes than Clinton almost everywhere, and even a higher percentage than Clinton.
 
Meadmaker said:
Don't fall for the trick of getting into an explanation of why, before finding out whether the assertion is true.

The assertion is false. Biden got more votes than Clinton almost everywhere, and even a higher percentage than Clinton.
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Thanks! That's a nice trick indeed.
 
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I'd be curious to hear thoughts on this thread:

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It's a phenomenon that has been studied for decades in the US. Google
"voter roll-off".
From a paper written in 2002:
Voter roll-off has been the subject of a variety of studies over the years. Researchers have found several possible explanations for why voters do not complete their ballot.
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We posit that increasing roll-off as a result of increasing turnout is a result of less informed or less interested voters going to the polls to vote in the “big” races while leaving the lower-level races blank.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https:...02.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHJihIkBv1O37DqIAt0aC3w30ZiHw
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Skeptic Tank said:
I'd be curious to hear thoughts on this thread:

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1) You post enough things that are wrong that I'm not sure to even trust the data. Beef up your source by posting something to a non-twitter link, and I'll take a look.

2) It's counter-evidence for fraud. A fraudster is highly likely to be partisan, and vote in down-ballot races as well.

3) A lot of people who are not interested in politics in general had very strong feelings for or against Trump, so a lot of those first time voters might only cast a vote for President.
 
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I'd be curious to hear thoughts on this thread:

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This was an election that, for so many people, was more about getting Trump out than anything else. People are allowed to vote only for President if they want to. Absent actual evidence of fraud, there's nothing there.

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That's the thing. Don't throw numbers around with a phrase like, "statistical analysis," it's absolutely meaningless. You can tell any story you like with a few numbers and "statistical analysis." Allegations of fraud need actual evidence of fraud, full stop.

The Benford's Law stuff is a perfect example of a valid statistical method being used inappropriately to fit an agenda.
 
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