Cont: Biden for President? Pt 3

JoeMorgue said:
Okay guys you have to understand something.

This is all a farce.

It's not the Biden isn't "progressive" enough. It's that he's not confrontational enough.

Since Biden isn't out there with a chip on his shoulder picking a fight with everyone and doing literally nothing but bitching about "da system" backing him doesn't make you feel like a revolutionary.
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And with the gop senate, we're going to be treated to a favorite Dem pasttime: Pretend potus is omnipotent while eating our own.
 
Bob001 said:
Biden? You sure that wasn't Sanders? Biden has said he wanted to restore the Obama policy about Cuba. But I can't imagine him saying much good about Castro.
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I think SG meant it hypothetically. As in imagine Biden’s chances if there were video of him praising Castro as there is in Sanders’s case.
 
Bob001 said:
What? He married Jill in 1977. Who did you think that blonde woman standing next to him everywhere was?
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I can barely recognize Biden, probably can't recognize Harris if she's not standing next to him, and it's interesting that they married the same year my parents did as well as having a daughter the same year I was born.
 
Monza said:
And an African American at that! I haven't seen much news being made about either of those facts recently, and am kinda glad. It doesn't feel abnormal to have a black woman as Vice President, and it shouldn't. We have a decent, competent person in the role and that should be enough. I'm happy for her, and for us.
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Kamala isn't an African American. Her father is Jamaican and her mother was Indian. That makes her black, not a person of colour if you prefer, but she isn't and African American.

While it was progress to have Obama in 2008/12, and now Kamala in 2020, I have to admit, that it won't really show that the US is getting there until they actually elect a black woman or man who has ancestors who were brought to the US as slaves to one of the top two jobs.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Kamala isn't an African American. Her father is Jamaican and her mother was Indian. That makes her black, not a person of colour if you prefer, but she isn't and African American.

While it was progress to have Obama in 2008/12, and now Kamala in 2020, I have to admit, that it won't really show that the US is getting there until they actually elect a black woman or man who has ancestors who were brought to the US as slaves to one of the top two jobs.
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This is my quiet thought as well. However, people in the present never point that out and Obama and Harris are considered for all intents and purposes African American. It's not like Americans would care to make the distinction unless it's out of genuine curiosity or hate.

But it's true that the people we traditionally think of as African American haven't had someone among them get to that high a position. It's at most a fun fact. In practice, we already know how white America treats a dark president with Afro-textured hair.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Kamala isn't an African American. Her father is Jamaican and her mother was Indian. That makes her black, not a person of colour if you prefer, but she isn't and African American.

While it was progress to have Obama in 2008/12, and now Kamala in 2020, I have to admit, that it won't really show that the US is getting there until they actually elect a black woman or man who has ancestors who were brought to the US as slaves to one of the top two jobs.
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But, her Jamaican father presumably had African ancestry. She is an American of African ancestry. That's enough to be considered African-American, isn't it? And while her ancestors were not brought to the US as slaves, they were probably brought to the New World as slaves. (At least, the ancestors on her father's side.)
 
PhantomWolf said:
Kamala isn't an African American. Her father is Jamaican and her mother was Indian. That makes her black, not a person of colour if you prefer, but she isn't and African American.

While it was progress to have Obama in 2008/12, and now Kamala in 2020, I have to admit, that it won't really show that the US is getting there until they actually elect a black woman or man who has ancestors who were brought to the US as slaves to one of the top two jobs.
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I always laugh when people argue technicalities like this. Ever been to Jamaica? Aren't most of their citizens of African descent? Weren't most of those persons brought to Jamaica as slaves? They were.

Jamaica was a British colony or protectorate. Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807, but emancipation in Jamaica wasn't declared until 1834 and full rights weren't granted to the slaves until 1838. And even with full rights as British citizens, they were treated as second class citizens. Most continued to be indentured to their owners for decades.

Now I do not know precisely Kamala Harris's ethnic makeup but I don't doubt for a second that she is an African American. FYI, geographically speaking the Caribbean nations are considered part of the Americas.

Ninja'd by Meadmaker.
 
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acbytesla said:
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Now I do not know precisely Kamala Harris's ethnic makeup but I don't doubt for a second that she is an African American. FYI, geographically speaking the Caribbean nations are considered part of the Americas.
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Genealogy is for scholars. If cab drivers see her as African-American and drive on by, that's enough.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Kamala isn't an African American. Her father is Jamaican and her mother was Indian. That makes her black, not a person of colour if you prefer, but she isn't and African American.

While it was progress to have Obama in 2008/12, and now Kamala in 2020, I have to admit, that it won't really show that the US is getting there until they actually elect a black woman or man who has ancestors who were brought to the US as slaves to one of the top two jobs.
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Venom said:
This is my quiet thought as well. However, people in the present never point that out and Obama and Harris are considered for all intents and purposes African American. It's not like Americans would care to make the distinction unless it's out of genuine curiosity or hate.

But it's true that the people we traditionally think of as African American haven't had someone among them get to that high a position. It's at most a fun fact. In practice, we already know how white America treats a dark president with Afro-textured hair.
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There was a Japanese politician who caused controversy for saying Obama was the descendant of slaves. It looks like he was trying to say something positive about America's acceptance of a black president, but some people didn't see it that way:

“Today, America has a black person as President. A person who inherits black people’s blood. Frankly speaking, they were slaves,” he said Wednesday, then went on to explain how civil rights improved in the U.S. “Back at the beginning of U.S. history, it would have been unthinkable that a black person, a slave, would become President. That’s how dynamic a transformation this country makes.”

Opposition lawmakers demanded Maruyama resign over the comment, but it wasn’t clear what they considered insulting, except it could have sounded racist and seemed mistaken about his ancestry. Obama’s father was from Kenya. The president has spoken often about America’s racial history and what it means for him to be the first black U.S. president.
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https://apnews.com/5ffed7da3d3c4f21...nese-lawmaker-criticized-linking-obama-slaves
 
If "Yeah the first black woman elected to the executive office isn't black enough..." doesn't sum up the "Nothing is ever good enough" problem with the Left I'm not sure what possibly could.
 
Bob001 said:
Genealogy is for scholars. If cab drivers see her as African-American and drive on by, that's enough.
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Can't argue with that. Phantom Wolf is trying to make a liar out of Kamala Harris using slight of hand.

It would be great if we lived in a world without second class citizens much less second class citizens simply because of their skin color. But that is a fairy tale.
 
Bob001 said:
Biden? You sure that wasn't Sanders? Biden has said he wanted to restore the Obama policy about Cuba. But I can't imagine him saying much good about Castro.
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Ooops. :o

No wonder The Great Zag was being sarcastic. It's been a long day.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Kamala isn't an African American. Her father is Jamaican and her mother was Indian. That makes her black, not a person of colour if you prefer, but she isn't and African American.

While it was progress to have Obama in 2008/12, and now Kamala in 2020, I have to admit, that it won't really show that the US is getting there until they actually elect a black woman or man who has ancestors who were brought to the US as slaves to one of the top two jobs.
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How do you think blacks got to the Caribbean?
 
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