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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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Skeptic Tank said:
The notion that a person should prove who they are in order to vote AS said person, is so incredibly basic that it is comical to imply that some sort of case / proof of wide scale voter fraud needs to be demonstrated.

1.) A United States citizen has a constitutional right to vote in elections.

2.) Obviously if this is an important and serious right, the notion that it must be established that the person showing up seeking to use that right IS the person with that right and the person they are claiming to use the right of, should be totally uncontroversial and it kind of blows my mind that anyone would push back against this at all.
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Well, since there is no universal form of ID, this is a problem. Where I am, they issue a 'voting card' to all eligible voters. You then go to the voting station and exchange it to a ballot. If you vote by mail, you must identify yourself in some other way, and you will then not be sent a voting card.
(I have only ever voted by mail once, and I don't remember the details)

Hans

Hans.
 
Meadmaker said:
I'm not sure about every instance, but every time I have seen a comment from a faithless elector about why they did it, it has been that they did it mostly to illustrate how fragile the electoral college system is.

I think a couple of times there might have also been a bit of a "protest vote" element, where someone said, "I hate our party's candidate, and the election is wrapped up to voice my disapproval this way."

I don't think we'll have any faithless electors in a situation where it would actually change the election outcome.

At least, it has never happened yet in American history, but there's always a first time, eh?
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A faithless elector going from Trump to Biden.
“OK. We need a volunteer who is willing to receive credible death threats for
the next 2-4 years. Anyone? Anyone?”
 
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In some good news it does seem like the only legal victory Trump has managed in the last 48 hours is "My Campaign Observers can stand a little closer to the table in Pennsylvania."

All his other legal threats seem to be getting laughed out of system.
 
Ladewig said:
A faithless elector going from Trump to Biden.
“OK. We need a volunteer who is willing to receive credible death threats for the next 2-4 years. Anyone? Anyone?”
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Honestly I don't think it's that crazy. Trump could get some old politician on the right to fall on a sword for him.

I don't know how likely it is, but it's not that crazy.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Because they need a scapegoat, and Silver is the most visible.

https://imgur.com/r/comics/ntXyP
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pgwenthold said:
Remember the 3 reasons provided by the framers for the Electoral College:

1) The general population may not know enough about the candidates to make an informed decision
2) Even if they have enough information, the general population is not sufficiently wise to be able to make a good decision (seriously, that's why you were supposed to elect someone smarter than you to cast your vote)
3) The voting population of the slave states way smaller than the number of citizens, and so their votes wouldn't matter as much (remember, congressional representation was based on the 3/5 rule, so they got a lot more electoral votes).

I'm not joking, these are the original reasons for the electoral college.

The only one that depended on state's representation is #3, which was solved by giving all citizens the right to vote.

ETA: Always remember, the only "state's rights" the slave states cared about was the right to own slaves
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I'm not saying those weren't the reasons for the creation of the Electoral College. But how do you come up with those reasons? Is this in the Constitutional Convention record or delegates or journals and writings? Is it in The Federalist Papers?
 
This is just weird.

Die-Hard Fans in India Refuse to Believe Their Idol Trump Could Lose [vice.com]
This week did not shape up as Vishnu Gupta imagined. Gupta, president of Hindu Sena, a hardline Hindu nationalist group in India, had planned celebrations at multiple locations in the national capital, New Delhi, presuming Donald Trump's immediate victory in the U.S. presidential election.

As it became clear that Trump’s Democratic challenger Joe Biden was getting closer to winning the 2020 presidential race, Gupta’s plans did not materialise. He instead denounced the election results and supported the Trump campaign’s theory that counting in some states was rigged. “Trump has already claimed that these votes might be fake and all of this is fraud,” Gupta told VICE News. “We believe this because it’s impossible for Trump to lose.”
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Said before many times, but the side shouting “stop counting votes!” Is kind of the default bad guys.

True in 2000, true now.
They are fascists. They are attempting to subvert the Constitution.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm not saying those weren't the reasons for the creation of the Electoral College. But how do you come up with those reasons? Is this in the Constitutional Convention record or delegates or journals and writings? Is it in The Federalist Papers?
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The first ones are from the Philadelphia convention. The third was James Madison.
 
Hey foreign types.

Context. How long does it take for you guys to get results after major but routine elections?
 
That there have been no big irregularties is goon news. makes it a lot less likely Trump lawsuits will get anywhere.
No, I do not buy into the "Supreme Court is 100% in Trump's Pocket" theory.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Fox News host Mark Levin calls for the election to be invalidated by Republicans so Trump stays in power.


REMINDER TO THE REPUBLICAN STATE LEGISLATURES, YOU HAVE THE FINAL SAY OVER THE CHOOSING OF ELECTORS, NOT ANY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, SECRETARY OF STATE, GOVERNOR, OR EVEN COURT. YOU HAVE THE FINAL SAY -- ARTICLE II OF THE FED CONSTITUTION. SO, GET READY TO DO YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY
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As a non-USAian can someone explain if this has any basis in fact?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Hey foreign types.

Context. How long does it take for you guys to get results after major but routine elections?
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I think in Canada it's been next day at the latest, but I'm not absolutely sure. These are unusual times, though, and your slowdown has been due to all the mail-in votes.

In Canada there was a recent attempt to force a new election by non-confidence, but the consensus was nuh-uh, there's a pandemic going on.

You couldn't duck out of your election so easily.
 
sphenisc said:
As a non-USAian can someone explain if this has any basis in fact?
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Yeah, sadly.

Again here in the United Assault Rifles of Bald Eagles we don't actually elect or President. 538 Electors, divided among the 50 states, do.

There is absolutely nothing in a legal or Constitutional sense that requires them to vote a certain way. The United States Supreme Court has, on multiple occasions, reinforced the precedent that the states have sole authority to determine who their electors are and how they have to vote. Very few states have any laws on the book requiring their electors to vote with the popular vote and fewer still have any punitive actions on the books if they don't.

On a strictly legal and Constitutional level if in a month when the Electoral Convention convenes, if those 538 people say that Beyonce is the President, Beyonce is the President.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Hey foreign types.

Context. How long does it take for you guys to get results after major but routine elections?
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Parliamentary elections (multi-party, 13 electoral districts with 7 - 22 MPs each) about 6 to 8 hours.
Presidential elections (typically something like 8 major party candidates) about 4 to 5 hours.
Presidential election second round with 2 candidates, maybe 3 hours.

Voting by paper ballot, absentee votes counted starting on election day morning, and only one election at a time.
 
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The amount of FRAUD being reported in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, Georgia and Wisconsin is unreal. Please report personal experiences. Please have all facts and evidence. #StopTheSteal
 
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