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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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This very a very bad place for fissures in a society to be, right there on the cliff of: "Is there any possible solution we can put on the table that won't be rejected by one (or both sides) because the fault in it is that one (or both) sides think that the other side will be left unpunished for some past transgression?"
 
I worked next to a Trump voter for two years and we got on fine. I am thinking that this is the normal rather than the exception and that most of the division manifests in the media and in particular social media as well as ideologically charged groups.

Many families divide on party lines and still manage to get on fine, many friends can go down to the pub and argue politics and remain friends.

I am thinking that the "division" thing is mostly something pushed by ideologues and that most of us can cope with the fact that we disagree politically.
 
The Don said:
Then again, President Trump somehow persuaded an unprecedented number of people to turn out and vote Republican. :confused:
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With the help of a campaign team using big voter databases and sophisticated methods to identify, tailor and target messages at exactly the right groups who would not normally vote.

After all in a country where voting is non-compulsory and most voters are rusted on, success at the polls depends on getting people out to the polling booth rather than changing minds.

So perhaps what we are seeing is just improvements in campaigning tech.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I think that's very true. Time to try and reconcile. Biden and Harris (provided they win) have four-eight years to try to build bridges and combat polarisation.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the trumpers react once the Biden win is secured. If they abandon trumpism, they'll be a whole lot easier to reach. A bitter, angry ex-Trump base bent on revenge would be a whole other story.

Still, I hope there's healing the next four years.
Also - hey, we can hope - maybe some more moderate candidate wins the GOP primaries next year and the election is between two adults, neither of whom is bent on facsm. No one says it has to be another Trump.

Heck, may it not be possible that the GOP could find a moderate more electable, and better for the image of their party? Or will they not dare do it without the gravy seal/QAnon/far right part of their base?
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I'm afraid I don't see how the healing can begin until Trump and his enablers have been brought to account, which means (at least at first) prosecutions rather than reconciliation. Those who voted for him must be made to understand exactly what it was they voted for or they'll just do it again, and next time they might find someone worse. I know it's hard to see how, but we thought that about GWB remember?
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I think that's very true. Time to try and reconcile.
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Reconciliation is possible only if both side want it. Would you reconcile with vile bunch of marxist child rapists that want to install communism in USA?

You can't reconcile with republiloons.
 
This is crazy. There are four states that might be looking at victory margins in the <0.5% range.

Recounts and lawyers will certainly be in our future.

ETA: And, in the bizarre possibilities list, we can't rule out that Biden wins Georgia and loses all the other outstanding states, resulting in a 269-269 tie.

Not extremely likely, but far from impossible.
 
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Meadmaker said:
This is crazy. There are four states that might be looking at victory margins in the <0.5% range.

Recounts and lawyers will certainly be in our future.

ETA: And, in the bizarre possibilities list, we can't rule out that Biden wins Georgia and loses all the other outstanding states, resulting in a 269-269 tie.

Not extremely likely, but far from impossible.
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I just threw up a little in my mouth.
 
The Don said:
The thing is that because the Republicans have control over the Senate and there's a 6-3 bias on SCOTUS, Joe Biden will likely get nothing significant done at all in his Presidency.

The GOP has signalled very clearly that they will absolutely obstruct anything a Democratic President attempts to do - even if they aren't actually opposed to it. Pwning teh libz is more important than the welfare of the country.
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And if anyone doubts that obstructionism will be their watchword, just look at the past 12-20 months. The GOP was willing to obstruct GOP legislation.

If America were traded on the NYSE, it might be time to sell short.
 
As for reconciliation, or even a truce in hostilities, that’s not going to happen until 45 passes on. That braying jackass of an attention whore will be peddling CTs and outlandish unsupported accusations for as long as he can breathe.

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Footnote to USSS. You guys are doing a great job in a very difficult time.
In this post I am neither advocating nor even indirectly encouraging violence against an elected official.
 
shuttlt said:
If the polls predict a big win and you barely scrape through that's a different situation to if the polls predict a big loss, but you scrape a win.
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The electorate had to come out in huge numbers to overcome the voter suppression and election fraud tactics the GOP uses. Without those shenanigans, it would look like the landslide that actually came out to vote.
 
This is what I was afraid was going to happen when the Left started rewriting the narrative from "We have to beat Trump" to "We have to completely and utterly destroy Trump in order to send the right message."

When you're already down by 20 points at the half, don't start rewriting the narrative so you have to win by 20 points in order to really "win."

It's like they are mad their come from behind win (fingers crossed, don't jinx it, etc) isn't more dramatic.
 
The Don said:
The GOP has signalled very clearly that they will absolutely obstruct anything a Democratic President attempts to do - even if they aren't actually opposed to it. Pwning teh libz is more important than the welfare of the country.
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I wonder for how many more cycles the GOP can really keep up this self-destructive downward spiral. Already, as we all know, they can only win by cheating.

Even in a post-fact world, obstructing everything Democrat presidents do must hurt them badly in the long run, even if certain people in their base likes it.
 
They are playing the mid-long game.

Biden gets in office, he accomplishes nothing in his first two years because of a Republican Senate/SCOTUS. He's seen as weak and ineffective. GOP makes huge gains in the midterm.
 
Meadmaker said:
This is crazy. There are four states that might be looking at victory margins in the <0.5% range.

Recounts and lawyers will certainly be in our future.

ETA: And, in the bizarre possibilities list, we can't rule out that Biden wins Georgia and loses all the other outstanding states, resulting in a 269-269 tie.

Not extremely likely, but far from impossible.
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Just wait till our cowboy ******* faithless electors actually vote. A couple turncoats could flip this one without breaking a sweat.
 
JoeMorgue said:
They are playing the mid-long game.

Biden gets in office, he accomplishes nothing in his first two years because of a Republican Senate/SCOTUS.
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You're forgetting the stuff a president can do without Congress. All those infuriating executive orders Trump did? Biden could reverse them, the same way. And international relations--just think, we won't be an international joke any more. We can actually support NATO, and that climate thing.
 
TragicMonkey said:
You're forgetting the stuff a president can do without Congress. All those infuriating executive orders Trump did? Biden could reverse them, the same way. And international relations--just think, we won't be an international joke any more. We can actually support NATO, and that climate thing.
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Oh to be 100% clear even a totally neutered Biden presidency would be size of an atom to size of a galaxy levels of better than Trump.

You are correct about the Executive Order thing. The one good thing about Trump's stupid "Because I say so, make it happen" method of leadership is Biden can undo it with an afternoon, a pen, and a stack of official Whitehouse letterhead.

I also.... (just pretend there's a perfect word that means think and hope in equal measure and put it here) that the "Trump? Oh noes we never supported Trump" routine you know we're going to get from some Republicans is going to mean they will place nice at least at first.
 
TragicMonkey said:
You're forgetting the stuff a president can do without Congress. All those infuriating executive orders Trump did? Biden could reverse them, the same way. And international relations--just think, we won't be an international joke any more. We can actually support NATO, and that climate thing.
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It's probably a forlorn hope but I wish the international community would call the US on its ******** and stop claiming the US had signed treaties until congress had ratified them, then we wouldn't be at the mercy of whatever loon you elect to the presidency.
 
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