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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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LOL what a hollow victory. Biden may just scrape through to win the presidency but will need to weather a storm of legal challenges first. Even then, he will be a lame duck president because the GOP has kept control of the Senate.

Serves the Democrats right for putting up the worst candidate they could find for the top job.
 
psionl0 said:
LOL what a hollow victory. Biden may just scrape through to win the presidency but will need to weather a storm of legal challenges first. Even then, he will be a lame duck president because the GOP has kept control of the Senate.

Serves the Democrats right for putting up the worst candidate they could find for the top job.
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C'mon, man
 
psionl0 said:
LOL what a hollow victory. Biden may just scrape through to win the presidency but will need to weather a storm of legal challenges first. Even then, he will be a lame duck president because the GOP has kept control of the Senate.

Serves the Democrats right for putting up the worst candidate they could find for the top job.
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It's a bit more complicated than that. I have seen some posts pointing out that Donald Trump, whatever else you may think of him, has somehow caused the largest turnout in electoral history. Yeah, okay, so America's population is growing, but for that many to vote Republican.... 70,000,000?!??! That's more than voted for Obama! Think about how crazy that is.

Yes, that's right, Donald J Trump has received the second largest number of votes in US presidential history, second only to Biden.

So, Biden cannot really be considered the worst candidate they could find, can he?
 
psionl0 said:
LOL what a hollow victory. Biden may just scrape through to win the presidency but will need to weather a storm of legal challenges first. Even then, he will be a lame duck president because the GOP has kept control of the Senate.

Serves the Democrats right for putting up the worst candidate they could find for the top job.
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I see this narrative a lot. It is a hollow victory if Biden scrapes through against an incumbent.

But if the incumbent President just scrapes through to a second term he will be regarded as having had a mammoth victory.
 
Robin said:
I see this narrative a lot. It is a hollow victory if Biden scrapes through against an incumbent.

But if the incumbent President just scrapes through to a second term he will be regarded as having had a mammoth victory.
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If the polls predict a big win and you barely scrape through that's a different situation to if the polls predict a big loss, but you scrape a win.
 
I get that it’s not what the media predicted, but they had this all wrong. Biden pulled an insane turnout, and the Trump campaign pulled out the over performance of a lifetime. You take the win and work with what you’ve been given.
 
Robin said:
I see this narrative a lot. It is a hollow victory if Biden scrapes through against an incumbent.

But if the incumbent President just scrapes through to a second term he will be regarded as having had a mammoth victory.
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Partly because that's just the way he is, but mostly because a GOP-led Senate will allow him enormous scope to do whatever he wants.
 
Robin said:
I see this narrative a lot. It is a hollow victory if Biden scrapes through against an incumbent.

But if the incumbent President just scrapes through to a second term he will be regarded as having had a mammoth victory.
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Trump is more than an incumbent. That such a person with such a record could win a second term is remarkable.
 
shuttlt said:
If the polls predict a big win and you barely scrape through that's a different situation to if the polls predict a big loss, but you scrape a win.
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The polls were way off in the R turnout predictions. It might skew your opinion on the victory but it’s really their massive mistake in methodology.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Trump is more than an incumbent. That such a person with such a record could win a second term is remarkable.
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Not only win a second turn but garner an additional, what, 9M votes? It’s remarkable imo and extremely tough to beat.
 
In GA the gap is down to around 18,098. 72,000 or so left to count and I think Biden needs about 62.5% of them.
 
Among Republicans, Trump is the most popular President since Lincoln.

Until yesterday, I didn't really understand what that means.
 
dirtywick said:
Not only win a second turn but garner an additional, what, 9M votes? It’s remarkable imo and extremely tough to beat.
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But funny how the guy who has gained even more votes than Trump is being called a lame duck.
 
shuttlt said:
If the polls predict a big win and you barely scrape through that's a different situation to if the polls predict a big loss, but you scrape a win.
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Why?

Why does it reflect on the candidates if the polling companies did a bad job?

I really don't understand your reasoning there.
 
I've seen an estimate that Biden will end up with about 80 million votes and Trump 73-75 million. That may not be as big a margin Trump deserved to be beaten by, but it also doesn't sound like Biden "barely scraping through".
 
Robin said:
But funny how the guy who has gained even more votes than Trump is being called a lame duck.
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The thing is that because the Republicans have control over the Senate and there's a 6-3 bias on SCOTUS, Joe Biden will likely get nothing significant done at all in his Presidency.

The GOP has signalled very clearly that they will absolutely obstruct anything a Democratic President attempts to do - even if they aren't actually opposed to it. Pwning teh libz is more important than the welfare of the country.
 
Pixel42 said:
I've seen an estimate that Biden will end up with about 80 million votes and Trump 73-75 million. That may not be as big a margin Trump deserved to be beaten by, but it also doesn't sound like Biden "barely scraping through".
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It's down to the peculiarities of the Electoral College. If he wins it'll be down to a few tens of thousands of people in a couple of swing states. In that case it is "barely scraping through". If he'd already secured the 270 EC votes in states he'd won handsomely then it wouldn't be described that way even if the states that, say, got him to 350 were close.

The popular vote is a little misleading. There may be hundreds of thousands of Republicans who don't bother turning out in California and New York. If they did, the popular vote would be significantly closer.
 
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