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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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gregthehammer said:
im suprised Michigan hasn't been called for Biden yet. 99% of the vote in with 60,000 vote lead.
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I feel like I'm missing something with MI. I mean, it's back of the envelope and all, but my calcs suggest that even if Trump got all 100% of the outstanding ballots, he'd still lose. So yeah, not clear why it hasn't been called.
 
HoverBoarder said:
Wow, enraged Trump fans trying to stop vote counting in MI earlier. Trump is suing to try to get them to stop counting in MI and PA.

https://twitter.com/PattersonNBC/status/1324086177885003778
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Pizza boxes are pushed against the window to obstruct view. It’s tense.
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I love it. Poll workers going about their business, and using whatever means are available to keep up the work. I'm picturing these tired, hungry people getting threatened by a mob and improvising a pizza box barrier. God Bless America!

As for the mob itself, screw 'em. Bastards don't understand democracy.
 
HoverBoarder said:
We should find out tomorrow morning on NV, as they said that they will report more Thursday morning. That would be the magic 270 if it goes for Biden.

WP is projecting that Biden is likely to lose GA, but projecting that he is more likely to win PA..
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I'm watching updates on NYT, and not seeing a lot of movement in GA toward Biden yet.

But Pennsylvania is falling.

Biden only needs Pennsylvania to win. Or Arizona + Nevada.

Odds are he gets all 3.
 
Just for something positive for a change:
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Emily's Cat said:
I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure it's reasonable to assume that the distribution of D vs R voters for mail is the same in all states. I think it depends on how easy & prevalent mail-in has been in that state in the past. For example, WA is almost all mail ballot, and has been for ages. So I wouldn't expect that the distribution of mail-ins as yet uncounted would be materially different than what's already been counted.

At this point, I don't know enough about the voter distribution in each area to make any bets on it.
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The counties taking longer to count are all D heavy populous counties. The R areas Trump carries aren’t counting. The remaining ballots will likely heavily favor Biden, as they did in MI and WI. I mean, look at VA. They called it really early and Trump was up by double digits until the end.
 
Craig4 said:
That's the ball game. There is no map for Trump.
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It's very telling.

Biden says: "We believe if we count all the votes, we are going to win"
Trump: "It's terrible how they have all these uncounted votes. Stop counting!!!!"

Seriously, Trumpets, is this the direction you want to go? "We shouldn't count the votes that have been cast"?

Of course, the Real Geniuses in Michigan were outside yelling, "Stop counting!" when Biden was ahead.

Yeah, stop counting right now. If you do that, Biden wins Nevada and Arizona, and it's all over.
 
turingtest said:
Well, it took a while, but we finally got to see the admission of the core idiocy of the CT needed here. The fact that it's a CT that can't be proved would be the bug that would cause an actual skeptic to take pause; for the dedicated racist/CTist "skeptic," it's the feature necessary for the faith to take flight.
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Problem is, again, it requires one of a few things

1) millions of non-citizen voters

2) millions of people travelling from area to area on voting day

3) millions of people voting for dead voters still on the registry.

For some reason, though, when people actually scour the records, they find, like, 3-4 people per state who have green cards and were registered accidentally but didn't vote, an ex-felon who was barred under some Jim Crow-era disenfranchisement law, and maybe that blond woman that used to date Bill Maher, whose name I can't be bothered to remember because she's like two models out of date, with Tomi whoever and then Gun Girl taking her place.

Point is, if there were really hundreds of thousands of these cases, they'd actually be rather easy to find many of them, just by looking at various records. And people tried, and came up empty.
 
Ambrosia said:
So howabout posting some proof if that is what you are claiming, instead of paragraphs of racist verbiage.

Large scale voter fraud falls in the extraordinary claims category so we're going to need really good evidence.
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The notion that a person should prove who they are in order to vote AS said person, is so incredibly basic that it is comical to imply that some sort of case / proof of wide scale voter fraud needs to be demonstrated.

1.) A United States citizen has a constitutional right to vote in elections.

2.) Obviously if this is an important and serious right, the notion that it must be established that the person showing up seeking to use that right IS the person with that right and the person they are claiming to use the right of, should be totally uncontroversial and it kind of blows my mind that anyone would push back against this at all.
 
Meadmaker said:
I heard two different Republicans on the radio today talking about the envelope thing as an example of voter fraud and how Democrats magically find however many ballots they need to make the difference in a close election...
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Yes, they're right. This happens all the time. That's why Democrats never lose close elections. In fact, I can't think of an election where the Democratic candidate for, say President, lost by only a handful of votes in 3 states... oh, wait.
 
turingtest said:
Well, it took a while, but we finally got to see the admission of the core idiocy of the CT needed here. The fact that it's a CT that can't be proved would be the bug that would cause an actual skeptic to take pause; for the dedicated racist/CTist "skeptic," it's the feature necessary for the faith to take flight.
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The evidence is that there is no evidence?

When conspiracy theorists hear the joke, "Ever see an elephant hiding in a tree? Hide pretty well, don't they?" , they don't realize that it's a joke.
 
In the WT-Actual-F category, trump has now staked an "electoral votes claim" on all states where he currently has a lead

“We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead,” Trump said in the thread.

“Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact ... there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported!”
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I know of one fraudulent vote this year. My mom did it. She voted for my Dad, who was unconscious on his death bed. But she filled out his ballot and mailed it in for him. She signed his name and added POA

Now, it is true that with the POA you can sign for another person, but courts have made it clear that you cannot vote for them, unless you are recording their expressed wishes. She wasn't.

However, since he passed away before election day, his vote in Iowa should not be allowed anyway.

(Iowa requires the voter be alive on election day for their vote to count)
 
Mumbles said:
Problem is, again, it requires one of a few things

1) millions of non-citizen voters

2) millions of people travelling from area to area on voting day

3) millions of people voting for dead voters still on the registry.
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What's to be done about all those people who still don't have proper ID? Are they just a lost cause, or are advocacy groups trying to chip away at the number?

Not really related to fraud question, but I thought you might know about this.
 
There is also the detail that to fake a single vote you have to commit anywhere from 1 to three felonies. The PA election people were adamant about how dumb the idea is, and this is from a state that has been using absentee ballots very grudgingly in the past.

Right now the claims from the Trump camp I am seeing on Social Media is that Biden totals are rising with zero votes for Trump being added. Never a source for these things, mind you. Just the accusation meme hit-and-run.
 
Mumbles said:
Problem is, again, it requires one of a few things

1) millions of non-citizen voters

2) millions of people travelling from area to area on voting day

3) millions of people voting for dead voters still on the registry.

For some reason, though, when people actually scour the records, they find, like, 3-4 people per state who have green cards and were registered accidentally but didn't vote, an ex-felon who was barred under some Jim Crow-era disenfranchisement law, and maybe that blond woman that used to date Bill Maher, whose name I can't be bothered to remember because she's like two models out of date, with Tomi whoever and then Gun Girl taking her place.

Point is, if there were really hundreds of thousands of these cases, they'd actually be rather easy to find many of them, just by looking at various records. And people tried, and came up empty.
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Right. You're talking about the real world, where there would certainly be plenty of evidence of the sort of fraud on the scale needed to affect elections. But ST is noodling about the one in his head, where it's a CT that needs no evidence because there wouldn't be any. It's the sort of reasoning you see from 9-11 and assorted other street-shouters- the conspiracy is such a perfect one that it can only be believed in, but never proved, because that's what conspiracies do.
 
KDLarsen said:
In the WT-Actual-F category, trump has now staked an "electoral votes claim" on all states where he currently has a lead



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While I will be glad to see him go, the fact that he ever became President of the United States will be a stain on this country that won't fade for a while.



And........that assumes Nevada.

They haven't reported any new votes for a very long time. I always get confused as to why this happens.
 
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