Cont: Biden for President? Pt 3

theprestige said:
Every so often I think, "oh good, more rational debate from a conservative point of view". And then it turns into "time well spent" and numerology with text message addresses, and I end up thinking, "with friends like these..."
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To be fair, if we have any sense of pride at all, we all end up thinking "with friends like these..." at some point.
 
"ELECTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!"

(Not that he won't still win, but there's no excuse for it to be this close. You were warned and you not only insisted on counter-reality but even attacked the people who were warning you.)
 
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Mader Levap said:
Sanders is more electable only in delusional minds of Bernie Bros.
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...according to those whose idea of how to predict electability has been wrong every single time. I prefer listening to the model that's been right every single time.
 
Delvo said:
...according to those whose idea of how to predict electability has been wrong every single time. I prefer listening to the model that's been right every single time.
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One of the big reasons Biden lost Florida was that Trump was able to paint him as a socialist. Are you claiming Sanders would have done better?
 
Delvo said:
"ELECTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!"

(Not that he won't still win, but there's no excuse for it to be this close. You were warned and you not only insisted on counter-reality but even attacked the people who were warning you.)
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Yes, it's almost like some portion of the national conscience experienced some fundamental upheavals since Biden was the shoe-in.

I can't think of anything that changed this summer- can you?
 
Distracted1 said:
Yes, it's almost like some portion of the national conscience experienced some fundamental upheavals since Biden was the shoe-in.

I can't think of anything that changed this summer- can you?
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Are you suggesting that Trump's disastrous handling of Covid and the resulting economic slump is making it more difficult for Biden to win?
 
Delvo said:
"ELECTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!"

(Not that he won't still win, but there's no excuse for it to be this close. You were warned and you not only insisted on counter-reality but even attacked the people who were warning you.)
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It seems a Democrat will always have an uphll battle against a side that an win with unpopular opinions and receive fewer votes.


He is nore popular, has more popular views, and most people support him. I'm not sure what you are looking for.
 
Mader Levap said:
Sanders is more electable only in delusional minds of Bernie Bros.
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It is a bizarre notion that accusations of being a socialist would have been less effective against Sanders. And of course there is the assumption that Biden is actually doing badly in the face of this 'post-fact' era where the US President can lie twice per sentence and no one bats an eyelid.
 
If nothing else I hope we win so we don't have to watch the Trumpers and Bernie bros decide who's more insufferable at playing "I told ya so."
 
Garrison said:
It is a bizarre notion that accusations of being a socialist would have been less effective against Sanders.
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There are more specific responses that could be given to that point, but I don't feel like indulging your attempt at distraction right now, because the bottom line is that you're trying to theorize & excuse your way out of the facts. It doesn't matter how much explainery you can come up with for how & why grass must be purple; it simply isn't. It's not our position that keeps coming out wrong every single time and thus is in need of these kinds of excuses & justifications & explanations for its perfect track record of failure; it's yours. The side that gets things right can just point to its track record... at least until the "grass-is-purple" crowd at least gets as far as admitting that it's green, even if they're still dumbfounded at the mystery how/why it is.

Garrison said:
And of course there is the assumption that Biden is actually doing badly
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Against a mentally deficient baboon who keeps essentially trying to give it all away to you, anything but a landslide victory is failure, especially if the whole reason you wound up in that race in the first place was because you were supposed to be Captain Electable.

JoeMorgue said:
If nothing else I hope we win so we don't have to watch the Trumpers and Bernie bros decide who's more insufferable at playing "I told ya so."
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Well, we did, whether Captain Electable manages to just barely scrape out a pitiful excuse for a "win" or not. The kind of people who brought this debacle on us in the first place has spent years destroying the party and thus the country by preaching the same mindless myth on & on & on no matter how many times it's proven false, so I don't have any pity right now for any of them who feel like whining about how much it hurts their feelings to have their perpetual, destructive, and completely obvious wrongness pointed out to them.

You can cling to what you know doesn't work, or you can go with what works.
 
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Delvo said:
There are more specific responses that could be given to that point, but I don't feel like indulging your attempt at distraction right now, because the bottom line is that you're trying to theorize & excuse your way out of the facts. (...)
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That's most vague attempt at handwaving away electability problems with your favourite candidate. Of course you don't feel like giving anything, because you have nothing of substance.

"Socialist" (does not matter if true or not, definition also does not matter) is dirty word in USA. If it is wielded against Biden with some success at all (however ridiculous is accusing Biden of being socialist), it would spell absolute doom for Sanders. Period.

Anything else is just delusional wishful thinking.
 
...according to those whose idea of Democrat electability has been proven wrong at election time over & over again.

Your claims on this subject will be worth further consideration as soon you come up with some that aren't constrained within a concept that always gets everything wrong.
 
Yeah maybe. Certainly possible to do worse than getting the most votes in the history of the country.
 
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