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Cont: Biden for President? Pt 2

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Delphic Oracle said:
And yet this carnival barker is running tight against a highly credentialed rival...again. That gives me a much bigger sample size to work with, too.

So I'm gonna lean towards feeling like there's something to it.
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Biden has an 8 point lead in the national polls. If that's your definition of running tight, maybe you aren't as on to something as you think?
 
wareyin said:
Biden has an 8 point lead in the national polls. If that's your definition of running tight, maybe you aren't as on to something as you think?
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Yes it is. When your choices are "A swift kick in the balls" and "a handshake" anything other than "None with a statistical margin of error" votes for "Swift Kick in the Balls" is close enough to make me nervous.

45% of Americans are going to vote for Donald Trump. That's a problem even if we win.
 
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wareyin said:
Biden has an 8 point lead in the national polls. If that's your definition of running tight, maybe you aren't as on to something as you think?
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tbh the national polls aren't necessarily that interesting. It doesn't really matter whether Biden wins California by 4 million, 6 million or 8 million.

It's the swing states that matter and the margins there are much tighter than in the national polls. Key states are within, or just outside the polling error.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yes it is. When your choices are "A swift kick in the balls" and "a handshake" anything other than "None with a statistical margin of error" votes for "Swift Kick in the Balls" is close enough to make me nervous.

45% of Americans are going to vote for Donald Trump. That's a problem even if we win.
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This is America. Some 30% believe in ghosts. Some number greater than zero believe the world is flat. We have a lot of stupid people.
 
The Don said:
tbh the national polls aren't necessarily that interesting. It doesn't really matter whether Biden wins California by 4 million, 6 million or 8 million.

It's the swing states that matter and the margins there are much tighter than in the national polls. Key states are within, or just outside the polling error.
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States which were swing states in 2016 are double digits leads for Biden this year. States which have been safe for Republicans for decades are now swing states. When Georgia is actually leaning Dem and even Texas is in play, the Rs are in big trouble.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
If you had an income in the US that you paid Federal Income Taxes on, you paid less after the Trump tax cuts. Fact.
Don't take anyone's word for it, look up your individual tax bracket and compare that with the Obama/Biden era individual bracket amounts. You'll find it factual that you paid less income tax after the Trump tax cuts. Anyone who tells you differently is lying and you should remain skeptical as it's up to you to prove it to yourself.
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You seem to believe that a dollar less of income taxes means more money in people's pockets. Reduced taxes at the Federal level often mean increased fees and higher taxes on the state level. And that's just the beginning. There were also cuts in who is eligible for the EEC. And if you had a job when Trump took office and are now unemployed, how do you conclude that those people have more money? There are more homeless in America than ever before. Do you think they have more money? There is also reduced subsidies for housing. So please tell me how these people have more money. There also hasn't been an increase in the Federal minimum wage during the entire time Trump has been President. Wages are stagnant, but the cost of living continues to rise. Do you really think these people have more money? Also, it's a fact when the minimum wage increases other wages increase.

Want to try again?
 
Segnosaur said:
While the changes in the tax brackets mean that most people pay less federal tax, that does not necessarily mean that they are better off.

- Some deductions were eliminated, so there are some people who end up paying more as a result.

- The removal of the individual mandate may mean that medical insurance becomes unavailable to many people (since the purpose of the mandate was to spread the risk... without that, insurance premiums may rise)

- The tax cuts have resulted in an increase in the federal deficit. This means that while some people may have more money in their pocket now, they will end up losing out in the future, when either the government has to cut services or raise taxes in order to handle the debt.

- Some of the tax changes are set to expire in 2025, which for some people means they will end up paying more in taxes in the future than if the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act had not been passed in the first place. (The tax cuts that most benefit the wealthy will remain in place however.)
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Exactly. :thumbsup:
 
Stacyhs said:
If paying a bit less Federal income taxes is the only thing I base whether or not I'm "better off" on, then that's pretty damn sad.
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Being "better off" means a hell of a lot more than just some extra jing in my pocket, if I even have that.

We live in a country where an eminent, respected, accomplished epidemiologist and his family receive death threats because he doesn't tell people what they want to hear. A country where inept incel morons hatched plans to kidnap and murder two duly elected Governors because they hurt the morons fee-fees by suggesting they act prudently and safely during a ******* pandemic. This instigated by an idiot in an orange paint-on tan and a bunch of straw glued to his head, suggesting these Governors "open up" their states in direct opposition to observable facts.

So yeah, I'm, we're not better off
 
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Resume said:
Being "better off" means a hell of a lot more than just some extra jing in my pocket, if I even have that.

We live in a country where an eminent, respected, accomplished epidemiologist and his family receive death threats because he doesn't tell people what they want to hear. A country where inept incel morons hatched plans to kidnap and murder two duly elected Governors because they hurt the morons fee-fees by suggesting they act prudently and safely during a ******* pandemic. This instigated by an idiot in an orange paint-on tan and a bunch of straw glued to his head, suggesting these Governors "open up" their states in direct opposition to observable facts.

So yeah, I'm, we're not better off
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This is a red herring. It's not a question of whether voters are really better off, as objectively measured against some arbitrary standard. It's about whether voters feel better off right now than they did four years ago, or a year ago, or whatever arbitrary standard they have set for themselves.

And to a lesser degree, it's about how interested they are in listening to you tell them they should actually be feeling worse off because reasons.
 
theprestige said:
This is a red herring. It's not a question of whether voters are really better off, as objectively measured against some arbitrary standard. It's about whether voters feel better off right now than they did four years ago, or a year ago, or whatever arbitrary standard they have set for themselves.
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Nah, it is a question of whether voters are actually better off, and no, they are not better off when their leader(s) encourage violence against political rivals, and distrust in science, as the attempt to kidnap and murder Governors and the abysmal pandemic response objectively demonstrate.

And to a lesser degree, it's about how interested they are in listening to you tell them they should actually be feeling worse off because reasons.
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No, see above. Nice try.
 
theprestige said:
This is a red herring. It's not a question of whether voters are really better off, as objectively measured against some arbitrary standard. It's about whether voters feel better off right now than they did four years ago, or a year ago, or whatever arbitrary standard they have set for themselves.

And to a lesser degree, it's about how interested they are in listening to you tell them they should actually be feeling worse off because reasons.
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Huh? You mean the truth doesn't matter?
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Resume said:
Nah, it is a question of whether voters are actually better off, and no, they are not better off when their leader(s) encourage violence against political rivals, and distrust in science, as the attempt to kidnap and murder Governors and the abysmal pandemic response objectively demonstrate.
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Maybe that's your question, but the question we're actually asking is, how are people voting, and why?

And that's a question of how individual voters perceive their own current situation. It's not a question of how you perceive their situation, or how you think it should properly be perceived. Six months ago, it might also have been a question of how effective you were at changing their perceptions, but on Election Eve? Those dice have been cast. People are going to the polls, or have already mailed in their ballots, based on their current perception of reality, not your perception of reality, nor your idea of how reality should be perceived.

Even if you're right your perception of reality is not the deciding factor in their vote. Theirs is.
 
acbytesla said:
Huh? You mean the truth doesn't matter?
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If a pancreatic cancer patient doesn't feel he has cancer, he doesn't. That searing pain in his his gut isn't there, either.

A drunk working on his third double Jack Daniels probably feels pretty good, and his liver, what liver?
 
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When Biden wins the election, the federal deficit will matter to Republicans again. They'll also blame Biden for the 230K+ deaths from Covid and claim that Biden created the pandemic.
 
theprestige said:
Maybe that's your question, but the question we're actually asking is, how are people voting, and why?
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Nope, whether or not a voter feels better off doesn't negate objective facts. Ignoring your cancer because it feels better to ignore it doesn't negate your cancer.
 
thaiboxerken said:
When Biden wins the election, the federal deficit will matter to Republicans again. They'll also blame Biden for the 230K+ deaths from Covid and claim that Biden created the pandemic.
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And yet, in another sense, the pandemic created Biden!

DO YOU SEE IT?!

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