Cont: Biden for President? Pt 2

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Gary has more money in his pocket as a result of Trump's tax cuts. This is true for ALL Americans across the board, not just the wealthy ones.

That's more fictional than Gary was.

But perhaps Gary has been affected by the 2nd quarter Real GDP loss of 31.4% because of Covid.

Yet with a 2020 third quarter Real GDP growth of 33.1% perhaps Gary is a bit better off than he was before Covid. The recovery is indeed a tight "V" shape.

What's the unemployment rate at, again? What's the GDP right now vs what it was before Covid? (Oh please use your figures to cook up a number, please!!!!)

From Gallup:

"During his presidential campaign in 1980, Ronald Reagan asked Americans, "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?" Since then, this question has served as a key standard that sitting presidents running for reelection have been held to.

Gallup's most recent survey found a clear majority of registered voters (56%) saying they are better off now than they were four years ago, while 32% said they are worse off."

Hmm surveys, huh? What do scientifically conducted surveys say about how people view Trump, and how they plan to vote?
 
But perhaps Gary has been affected by the 2nd quarter Real GDP loss of 31.4% because of Covid.

Yet with a 2020 third quarter Real GDP growth of 33.1% perhaps Gary is a bit better off than he was before Covid. The recovery is indeed a tight "V" shape.
Oh joy, another guy that slept in math class and thinks 30% fall and then 30% rise leads to exactly same number...
 
It would be more accurate to say "burn it all down" is more palatable to them than "I promise I'll make it all better."

I don't think (despite the accusation above) Gary is hopelessly stupid. The Gary story never suggested he was. Blyth even challenged "you think people can't figure this **** out?" when talking about how money given on one end of government translates to benefits promised not materializing elsewhere, etc.

The anger and resentment is blinding Gary. Not "Gary is hopelessly stupid."

We can find a better message than "burn it all down" that isn't ********. If we do, we can't blow it like with the ACA, either.

I don't have those answers, sorry.

But more Garys come into existence every day.

We need a better answer than "they are hopeless and just want to burn it all down." Which by the way sounds suspiciously just like Trump's rhetoric about Biden/Harris lawlessness and Antifa coming for your suburbs.

My dad's neighbor (suburbs) said one day he parks his truck in the garage now because with his government plates, antifa might torch it.

So in case anyone is still confused about my point: narratives beat facts. Especially for angry people.

Again, I have no solution to offer.
 
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Also, a reason that clip is among my favorites is that I basically knew that narrative backways and frontways the first time I heard it.

I'm in the midwest, we can recite some version of this story by our own or half a dozen others' telling while piss drunk.
 
I thought for a bit about how to construct these sentences without it getting too long & clausey & quasi-runonical, and I didn't like any of the single-sentence formulations I was ending up with, so I'll go for a bit of linguistic algebra on this one...

X: people's claims of whether they're doing better now (they say they are)

Y: objective facts showing whether people are actually doing better now (they definitely aren't)

The sharp detachment of X from Y is a fascinating issue all by itself, worthy of much more investigation by economists/psychologists, but the only way it can be relevant in an election thread is if X is a better predictor of the election than not just Y, but also surveys that are actually about the election itself, and what we've seen so far from the early actual votes. Either X is the lone outlier that doesn't really point where the election is going, or all of the rest of that other stuff combined, including Y, is all outliers, leaving X as the only thing that's still reliable.

So, is X being brought up to assert the latter case, that absolutely everything else that has ever indicated likely election outcomes has all suddenly stopped doing so? Or just because the fact that X is so out-of-place and different from what everything else says that it's a fascinating sociological question by itself?
 
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ChrisBFRPKY, do you think Trump's base really made a careful assessment of whether they were better off in 2016 than 2012?

Seems to me most people just follow some narrative or gut feeling before they do any of that.
 
Gary’s kids are home from school, he can’t go to a restaurant or a movie, 2x4s are $7 a piece, and he had to cancel is vacation plans because he has to quarantine for two weeks when he gets there.

Things are great tho
 
I thought for a bit about how to construct this sentence without it getting too long & clausey & quasi-runonical, and I didn't like any of the single-sentence formulations I was ending up with, so I'll go for a bit of linguistic algebra on this one...

X: people's claims of whether they're doing better now (they say they are)

Y: objective facts showing whether people are actually doing better now (they definitely aren't)

The sharp detachment of X from Y is a fascinating issue all by itself, worthy of much more investigation by economists/psychologists, but the only way it can be relevant in an election thread is if X is a better predictor of the election than not just Y, but also surveys that are actually about the election itself, and what we've seen so far from the early actual votes. Either X is the lone outlier that doesn't really point where the election is going, or all of the rest of that other stuff combined, including Y, is all outliers, leaving X as the only thing that's still reliable.

So, is X being brought up to assert the latter case, that absolutely everything else that has ever indicated likely election outcomes has all suddenly stopped doing so? Or just because the fact that X is so out-of-place and different from what everything else says that it's a fascinating sociological question by itself?

There's something to that.

Especially when I intersect it with that sad quirk where a surprising number of people prefer receiving $20 and another person $10 more than both of them receiving $100.

"Doing better" is not a line on a graph, it is Newtonian physics with points of reference that change positions over time themsleves.

"Doing better" is about more than pure economics, as well, but that could easily become a discussion about everything.
 
I think economics is generally a good indicator of how well someone is or isn’t doing. Not right now tho. I’d trade my raise and then some this year for COVID without thinking about it.
 
Gary’s kids are home from school, he can’t go to a restaurant or a movie, 2x4s are $7 a piece, and he had to cancel is vacation plans because he has to quarantine for two weeks when he gets there.



Things are great tho
Out of touch.

Gary's kids don't have insurance for their own kids. Gary can't afford to go out for entertainment. Gary isn't building a deck. Gary doesn't have vacation benefits or the funds to travel.

Gary isn't a suburbanite with a little too much debt-to-income ratio. That was Gary 30 years, 2 foreclosures and years of renting sketchy apartments (where the landlord is "fixing the heat" from October until January every year) ago.

Gary thinks being mad about how much a deck costs is rich (pun).
 
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I am a bit shocked at how Gary keeps getting changed from "line supervisor in a technical trade who could probably handle computer programming and has enough sense to see how government has clearly ********d him" into "bumbling dufus who doesn't know whats best for him."

That's the first stumbling block we liberals could maybe stop hitting every time.
 
Gary’s kids are home from school, he can’t go to a restaurant or a movie, 2x4s are $7 a piece, and he had to cancel is vacation plans because he has to quarantine for two weeks when he gets there.

Things are great tho


Thanks, China.
 
I'd like to know what liberals are hitting this stumbling block. You can still remind Gary that he's been getting screwed for decades AND offer avenues and support to bridge out, all without calling him stupid. Is Gary furious every time a politician reaches out because he always feels that they're calling him stupid?
 
Thanks, China.
Interestingly, and Mark dives into this in one of his recountings, a lot went to southern states first. That was "right to work." NAFTA opened up Mexico big time and that remains a big source of supplied parts for "made (final assembly) in America" products to this day in non-unionized plants across the south.
 
I'd like to know what liberals are hitting this stumbling block. You can still remind Gary that he's been getting screwed for decades AND offer avenues and support to bridge out, all without calling him stupid. Is Gary furious every time a politician reaches out because he always feels that they're calling him stupid?

Scroll up, lots of incredulity at how Gary could not know this factoid or that data point.
 
That still doesn't help me understand how people can 'explode with rage' when a politician dares to suggest that they could use a little help escaping the situation they're trapped in and said politician is the best to offer it.
 
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