"OK, Cindy, we need something that suggests Incestual Necrophilia..."

Skeptic said:
Folks, you're not going to believe this.

This is a photograph of that brave, honest (blah blah blah) woman, Cindy Sheehan, from "Vanity Fair". In which she is seen pretending to sleep on her son's grave.

Here it is:

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I am sorry, but I have no idea what to say about this. I am, to be truthful, not angry at her: it simply makes me double sure that she had simply lost her mind after he son's death, which is understandable.

But did Vanity Fair TOTALLY lose their minds? Just wondering.
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It's telling that you interpret love for dead children as "incestual necrophilia". Just because incestual necrophilia would be your motivation for such an act, doesn't mean it is the motivation for her.

That said. I do find the picture to be in rather poor taste. I think such moments should be private, but that is just me.
 
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She's lost her son. So she wants to be kooky and lie on his grave. Very Victorian. Sure it's strange, and it probably should have remained private, but she's not targetting foreign nations for invasion to channel her grief, she's just being odd.

P.S. This is part of why I would prefer to be cremated. Creepy.
 
Curious. Has anyone here ever lost someone dear to them? Immediate family you were very close to? I have. I don't find that picture odd at all. In fact, I can identify with it. The person who took the photo created a pretty powerful image there, even if it's lost in the current political climate. When pain of your loss starts wearing on you, all you want to do is sleep somewhere near them. If that's a weird sentiment, then you must have had a hard time reading Hamlet.
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Well, my mum died when I was 16, and I must admit, I never had the urge to sleep near her after that, firstly because she was just a body in a grave, and not actually her, and secondly, because I`m not so `look at me` that I would cheapen the feeling of everybody elses grief by making an idiot of myself with such a crass undignified gesture. Probably she needs some serious councelling.
It`s disturbing how she took the time to get herself all spruced up in black, hair and make-up intact, pose for the camera and so forth- not exactly spontanious....
 
Miggins said:
It`s disturbing how she took the time to get herself all spruced up in black, hair and make-up intact, pose for the camera and so forth- not exactly spontanious....
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That's spruced up? Are you serious? She's in a sweat suit and tennis shoes. It may be posed, but it's hardly glamorous.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
She's lost her son. So she wants to be kooky and lie on his grave. Very Victorian.
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Reminds me of that bit in Huck Finn where Huck is reading that dead goth girl's bad poetry. "Art thou gone? Yes, thou art gone, alas!"

Twain was a genius.
 
Jocko said:
Too bad they forgot to photoshop out some of that gargantuan a$$ of hers. But then I guess even digitial magic has its limits.
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Not really. I could make her a$$ smaller in photoshop. Its not that hard.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Granted, but it's not spruced up for the American media. GWB puts on more make up when making an address from the Oval Office than she's wearing.
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Granted I do not have that issue and thus the image in front of me, she does look prepaired for this picture in terms of location, make-up, lighting and timing.

This just doesn't seem like the kind of moment one would want to share with the world and certainly not in this fashion.
 
Grammatron said:
Granted I do not have that issue and thus the image in front of me, she does look prepaired for this picture in terms of location, make-up, lighting and timing.

This just doesn't seem like the kind of moment one would want to share with the world and certainly not in this fashion.
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She's chosen to make a public political cause of her son's death. This is topical. Strange, but at least she's sticking to the subject.
 
Skeptic said:
Okay, you win. It's tasteful incestual necrophilia.
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Oh, come on, obviously you've never known a family member who died. This is exactly what I did when my grandfather died. And it was raining, too. Screw you for judging me!

I'm not kidding about Penthouse, though. Within the next 6 months, mark my words.
 
CFLarsen said:
Yup. Look at the way her face is lit up. It doesn't match with the light in the rest of the pic.
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Could be the lighting they use at every location shoot. I'd need a better photo to look at to be sure.
 
delphi_ote said:
Curious. Has anyone here ever lost someone dear to them? Immediate family you were very close to? I have. I don't find that picture odd at all. In fact, I can identify with it. The person who took the photo created a pretty powerful image there, even if it's lost in the current political climate. When pain of your loss starts wearing on you, all you want to do is sleep somewhere near them. If that's a weird sentiment, then you must have had a hard time reading Hamlet.

That said, all of this is about politics anyway. Whatever side you come from, that's the message you're going to see in the image. Everyone on every side is going to be nasty and heartless and exploit whatever they can from this. The mass media cycle is going to repeat those heartless and nasty comments endlessly and zombies for both parties are going to puppet them until the memory of this brave soldier is a two bit marketing gimmick for everyone. So go on. Have it out. Race to the bottom. Don't tell me, "Cindy started it." either or you're staying inside for recess today.
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I agree with you 100%!

I have lost people close to me and can completely empathize with your assertions. The death of someone close wears heavily on your spirit and although the immediate intensity of the pain wears with time, there is always a great big hole in your heart that I imagine would be larger if the loss is a child. How can anyone here belittle that sentiment in ANYONE without thinking of the violent death of their own child?

As Rik said, there ARE pawns in this debate, but I believe that the saddest thing is that WE ARE ALL pawns; from those of us who initially believed there was WMD (I wasn't one of them) and supported the war to those coming home minus legs, eyes and arms. We are all pawns for one side or the other.

Frankly, I'm happy to say I'm NOT associated with the side of this debate that thinks nothing of poking fun at this photo either for the subject matter or for who the woman represents. No matter the extent of your rhetorical skills or your philosophical prowess, your reputation and what little respect you had dropped ten notches. You're like a bunch of immature brats gloating in your nastiness.

If you think you're so brave, why don't you go to the Vietnam memorial and make fun of some of the old farts there touching the wall and crying bucketloads? I've seen photos of grown men lying in front of that memorial, why don't you idiots make fun of them? They can't possibily be sincere - that friggin war was over 25 years ago.

As the song says, Delphi . . . let them eat war - THAT's how to ration the poor.
 
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