Cont: Biden for President? Pt 2

[Skeptic Ginger]

The whole laptop thing puzzles me.

Joe Biden knows whether or not that laptop is really Hunter's. Joe Biden knows whether or not he, Joe, is "the big guy". This "damning" email is from the brief period in time when he was not a government official of any sort, so there's no corruption involved if he is trying to start a business in China, or thinking about it. Retired VP's can't start businesses? Assuming he didn't make some sort of promise about pulling strings, so what?

Last night during the debate he seemed to say that the laptop itself was a Russian plant. I doubt that it is, and that might come back to haunt him.

And us. I would hate to see Biden lose votes over this.

If there is real corruption, then that's a big issue. So far, this laptop provides some sort of evidence that Joe Biden might have been part of a business venture. Even that evidence is far from conclusive. I just am not sure he's doing the right things to put this issue to bed. He knows whether or not he is the "big guy". He knows whether or not the laptop is real. He knows what sort of businesses he might have been associated with at that time.

It's conceivable that Joe was actually not involved at all. Maybe it was pure Hunter, claiming some family influence he didn't have. If so, Biden knows that he wasn't involved, and can say that. Then it's Hunter's problem if Hunter was trying to cash in on the family name.

And maybe the whole laptop thing is totally bogus right from the start. i.e. it isn't even Hunter's laptop. Well, then say so explicitly.

Reading about 2016, I saw references to how Hillary surrounded herself by a small group of close advisers, and those close advisers didn't understand how big certain issues, like her emails, really were. I hope Joe isn't making the same mistake. I doubt he is, but this pseudo-issue can't be wished away. I hope his advisers have a good handle on how much influence this issue has on voters' minds. and have a good plan to knock it out if the problem gets too big.

ETA: Politicians always run a fine line when dealing with this sort of mudslinging and scandal-mongering. Pay too little attention to it, and it might grow out of control. Pay to much attention to it, and you elevate a tiny sideshow into the public eye. I just hope Joe's people have a good clue about what is the right amount of attention to spend on it.

More imagining ways the whole Giuliani laptop/emails/whatever story is true when there is no evidence any of this is. None!

Biden can deny whatever he wants. It will not change Trump et al from continuing with this blatantly obvious crap story.

But the longer they go on with it, the more people start thinking, maybe it's true, maybe it's partially true...why doesn't Obama just show his birth long form original birth certificate with the little foot prints.... Oh wait, we are talking about Biden.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's complete bollocks.

I know right.

I want to scream: People! Use that head the Amazing Randi gave you and start with the evidence-supported conclusion that it is a completely fabricated story.

From that premise, find evidence it is not a totally fake story.

Don't start with the premise, maybe there is something there. Maybe Obama really was born in Nigeria.

Trump has his best people on it, and they can't believe what they are finding. Anyone remember that claim?

 

[Meadmaker]

More imagining ways the whole Giuliani laptop/emails/whatever story is true when there is no evidence any of this is. None!

Biden can deny whatever he wants. It will not change Trump et al from continuing with this blatantly obvious crap story.

But the longer they go on with it, the more people start thinking, maybe it's true, maybe it's partially true...why doesn't Obama just show his birth long form original birth certificate with the little foot prints.... Oh wait, we are talking about Biden.

That's the dilemma. If you acknowledge the conspiracy theory, you feed the conspiracy theory. On the other hand, if you ignore the conspiracy theory entirely, you also feed the conspiracy theory.

He has advisors. He has experience. He's smart enough to get decent people around him and make the right decisions.

I hope.




This thing isn't much like the birth certificate thing, though. That one didn't persuade anyone of anything. It was a bunch of Obama haters busily making stuff up about Obama. It didn't change a single vote. Hillary's emails, on the other hand, did change some votes. They shouldn't have, but they did.

In a couple of weeks, we'll find out more about what impact this stuff has on the election. With what we know so far, it shouldn't hurt Biden at all. If anything, it should hurt Trump for pushing conspiracy theories, but in 2016, that didn't hurt Trump. We know that he's going to try the same play this time around. What will the result be?

I wish I trusted the American people enough to know the answer to that question.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

More imagining ways the whole Giuliani laptop/emails/whatever story is true when there is no evidence any of this is. None!

Biden can deny whatever he wants. It will not change Trump et al from continuing with this blatantly obvious crap story.

But the longer they go on with it, the more people start thinking, maybe it's true, maybe it's partially true...why doesn't Obama just show his birth long form original birth certificate with the little foot prints.... Oh wait, we are talking about Biden.

The laptop hard drive is evidence, the FBI has it now, an investigation is open. Also a man named Tony Bobulinski, apparently a former business partner of Hunter Biden has gone on record that Joe Biden did know about the money deals with China and others. Furthermore Bobulinski provided 3 cell phones allegedly containing proof of his allegations against the former VP Biden. Those cell phones were turned over to the FBI today.

Perhaps you should source your news from places other than Left leaning outlets.

 

[acbytesla]

The laptop hard drive is evidence, the FBI has it now, an investigation is open. Also a man named Tony Bobulinski, apparently a former business partner of Hunter Biden has gone on record that Joe Biden did know about the money deals with China and others. Furthermore Bobulinski provided 3 cell phones allegedly containing proof of his allegations against the former VP Biden. Those cell phones were turned over to the FBI today.

Perhaps you should source your news from places other than Left leaning outlets.

It's evidence, but you don't have a clue what it is evidence of. All you're doing doing is repating right wing media points. Perhaps you should seek to broaden your perspective.

 

[Meadmaker]

It's evidence, but you don't have a clue what it is evidence of. All you're doing doing is repating right wing media points. Perhaps you should seek to broaden your perspective.

I don't even understand what Biden is accused of. Having dealings with China during a period of his life when he wasn't Vice President? Being related to someone who does, or did, drugs? Being related to someone who .......I'm not sure quite what, but it involves dirty pictures of someone?

Being related to someone stupid enough to turn over a laptop that would be very interesting to political opponents of someone running for President? I can't imagine what Hunter was thinking. Basic cybersecurity 101. Don't do that.

Now, that assumes that the laptop is even Hunter's, but based on what I have read, I think it is. That's far from proven, but I suspect it is. Of course, that doesn't mean that no one tampered with it, so it's possible that everything we have heard about is forgery even if the drive itself was once in possession of Hunter Biden.

 

[Bob001]

....
Now, that assumes that the laptop is even Hunter's, but based on what I have read, I think it is.
....

Why? On what basis? Do people typically drop off laptops without providing contact information? Or picking them up when they're fixed? This whole thing stinks.

But the owner of the computer store, John Paul MacIsaac, was unable and unwilling to answer key questions about how the laptop supposedly arrived in his store, and eventually, how the data was shared with Giuliani. CBS News interviewed MacIsaac for almost two hours on Wednesday and throughout the interview he contradicted himself about his motivations, raising questions about the truthfulness of one of the central figures in the story.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-new-york-post-story/

 

[Dr.Sid]

The laptop changed hands several times. Of course nobody can prove how did the data got there, unless the porn is digitally signed with timestamp by private HB's key. Which I doubt it is.

 

[Meadmaker]

Why? On what basis? Do people typically drop off laptops without providing contact information? Or picking them up when they're fixed? This whole thing stinks.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-new-york-post-story/

I don't want to get into an argument about it, because I'm not eager to quote article after article in an effort to establish something that can't be established with what we have available. It's a hunch.

Some things that make me suspect it is Hunter's laptop:

The FBI has had it for a while and seems to have taken the idea that it was Hunter's seriously. (As an aside, that's also why I don't take seriously the charges that there is illegal porn on it. If they had it, there's no reason for sitting on it.)

The business partner seems to say it's a real email.

The DNI said they have no intelligence that would indicate it was a Russian hoax.

So far, there hasn't been anything revealed from the laptop that is worth faking.

Things that make me think it might be fake:

I would hope a Vice President's son, Harvard educated lawyer, and member of the board of directors of a few different corporations wouldn't be stupid enough to do what he allegedly did.

Giuliani and company have provided hints and suggestions, as opposed to documentation and proof. If they had anything worth having, they would reveal it.


So, maybe it's real. Maybe it's fake. Maybe it's real, but has been tampered with so that the "good stuff" is fake.

Right now, it makes me nervous, because some people might believe hubbub about it without asking questions, but it just seems to me that even if it is Hunter Biden's laptop, there's still no evidence of corruption on it. And I don't think there ever will be. I don't think Biden is corrupt.

 

[Pixel42]

When my laptop stops working I just buy a new one. And I'm nowhere near as rich as the Bidens.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I don't want to get into an argument about it, because I'm not eager to quote article after article in an effort to establish something that can't be established with what we have available. It's a hunch.

Some things that make me suspect it is Hunter's laptop:

The FBI has had it for a while and seems to have taken the idea that it was Hunter's seriously.

We don't even know this for sure. But there are hints. Guess what they lead to? That it's a bull **** Russian intelligence op, not that it's actually Biden's emails or laptop.

That doesn't say much for your hunch.

... The business partner seems to say it's a real email.

Yeah like that story isn't full of holes.

The DNI said they have no intelligence that would indicate it was a Russian hoax.

Riiight, some Trump crony running the DNI?

So far, there hasn't been anything revealed from the laptop that is worth faking.

Things that make me think it might be fake:

I would hope a Vice President's son, Harvard educated lawyer, and member of the board of directors of a few different corporations wouldn't be stupid enough to do what he allegedly did.

Ya think?

Giuliani and company have provided hints and suggestions, as opposed to documentation and proof. If they had anything worth having, they would reveal it.

And yet you can't see what the evidence supports. You have to cling to a sliver of 'it might be real'. And maybe 911 really was an inside job. Maybe there really is a tooth fairy, after all who's leaving all that money under kids' pillows. Huh, can you answer that?

So, maybe it's real. Maybe it's fake. Maybe it's real, but has been tampered with so that the "good stuff" is fake.

Right now, it makes me nervous, because some people might believe hubbub about it without asking questions, but it just seems to me that even if it is Hunter Biden's laptop, there's still no evidence of corruption on it. And I don't think there ever will be. I don't think Biden is corrupt.

Re the highlighted: maybe consider looking in the mirror.

 

[Firestone]

When my laptop stops working I just buy a new one. And I'm nowhere near as rich as the Bidens.

Sure, sure.

But, look at the "facts": the hard drive of that laptop was damaged, and since it contained a lot of incriminating evidence, Hunter wanted to recover the drive for ... reasons.
Then he forgot all about it.

Makes perfect sense. (No wonder even Barr won't touch this nonsense.)

 

[Darat]

The laptop hard drive is evidence, the FBI has it now, an investigation is open. Also a man named Tony Bobulinski, apparently a former business partner of Hunter Biden has gone on record that Joe Biden did know about the money deals with China and others. Furthermore Bobulinski provided 3 cell phones allegedly containing proof of his allegations against the former VP Biden. Those cell phones were turned over to the FBI today.



Perhaps you should source your news from places other than Left leaning outlets.

I see that Rudi is admitting he committed one of the most abhorrent, in terms of morality not just legally, crimes. How he can live with himself I simply don't know.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I can't imagine what Hunter was thinking. Basic cybersecurity 101. Don't do that.

Have you seen the photos? The guy literally is a crack head.

 

[Childlike Empress]

btw, the evidence Ukrainian law maker Dertash has released over the last half year, which I rubbed under your noses several times, has been purged from facebook and youtube as well. Which of course doesn't mean it has disappeared. It is subject of public discussion and legal activity in the Ukraine, with Joe Biden playing the role of viceroy in a lot of pay-to-play schemes.

 

[Sideroxylon]

All kind of irrelevant because you know Trump is a crook.

 

[wareyin]

Have you seen the photos? The guy literally is a crack head.

Is it your position that once a person has done drugs, they are then forever and always going to act as though they are under the influence? A man who had already quit and gone through rehab is still always going to be a crack head?

Does it apply only to crack, or do other drugs count? If you've ever smoked marijuana, you will always be a stupid, slow dope head? If you've ever drank alcohol, you will always be a stumbling slurring drunk?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It seems that the laptop was supposed to be just the opening gambit in an effort to link Hunter to a human trafficking ring in Ukraine.
This will get more ugly, and the only way to stay sane is to remember that you shouldn't trust anything Trump or his surrogates say.
If there is no indictment, there is no crime here.

 

[Armitage72]

It seems that the laptop was supposed to be just the opening gambit in an effort to link Hunter to a human trafficking ring in Ukraine.

Damn it. I was joking when I said they would claim it linked him to the pizza parlor child sex dungeon.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

The DNI said they have no intelligence that would indicate it was a Russian hoax.

When the DNI says that about a laptop with shoddy chain of custody being pushed by a person we were told a year ago was going to push Russian disinformation...

...I go ahead and call that evidence against it being Hunter's.

Okay, "it's not disproven" but, yeah, that doesn't ever fly far on these fora.

In terms of probabilities, which is more likely?

Joe Biden is some kind of B-version Walter White (Breaking Bad) international pimp/espionage agent?

Giuliani is doing exactly what it was predicted he was going to do when he entered a country in the Russian sphere of influence loudly advertising he wanted dirt on the Bidens?

As an aside: Yeah, it's clear Trump came from reality TV. His writers simply can't do good character drama. "The big guy." Wonder how long they spent on that nom de guerre.