Cont: Biden for President? Pt 2

[timhau]

The contrast hurts. But I doubt it will change much. It seemed to be mostly aimed at decided voters.

... which is good, if it serves to get them to vote.

 

[Stacyhs]

Michael Steele, the former RNC Chairman, is endorsing Joe Biden for president.

 

[carlosy]

Given how Trump has had a 4+ year vendetta against Obama, it must be sweet to give some back.

But it's still Obama's fault for triggering Trump to run for POTUS and retaliate against Obama for insulting him at the dinner.

I get why Obama did it back then. It was funny and easy and delicious... But that's where the whole **** show started, isn't it?

 

[Pixel42]

I find it hard to blame Obama for thinking there could not possibly be enough Americans sufficiently stupid and spiteful to elect that PoS President.

 

[llwyd]

But it's still Obama's fault for triggering Trump to run for POTUS and retaliate against Obama for insulting him at the dinner.

I get why Obama did it back then. It was funny and easy and delicious... But that's where the whole **** show started, isn't it?

I seem to remember that Trump had that birther thing going on at the time - a couple of funny digs back, no biggie. Who could have predicted the depths of fragility, mendacity and destructiveness of that poor excuse of a man?

 

[carlosy]

I find it hard to blame Obama for thinking there could not possibly be enough Americans sufficiently stupid and spiteful to elect that PoS President.

Well, I was being sarcastic, in a way. Of course he couldn't know.
But in hindsight, it probably would have been better to just ignore Trump at all.

But this is how things can go. You're right, you're better, and you have nice delicious well earned swing at the dumbass poking you. But every now and then poking a dumbass, rightfully, only leads to more misery for everyone.

 

[Mumbles]

The contrast hurts. But I doubt it will change much. It seemed to be mostly aimed at decided voters.

The ulterior motive here seemed to be "Hey you, don't forget about the House and Senate, as well as the state and local offices...and for pity's sake don't just sit with your thumbs up your behinds two years from now because Biden "didn't end all wars" or "Biden didn't get everyone free health care", that's how we ended up here to begin with."

But this could very easily just be me on my hobby horse, so...

The truth is, there isn't much that'll change things this close to - or rather far in to - the election.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Your own link says the numbers you claimed are false.

It's a live count, it updates regularly.

 

[Elagabalus]

But it's still Obama's fault for triggering Trump to run for POTUS and retaliate against Obama for insulting him at the dinner.

I get why Obama did it back then. It was funny and easy and delicious... But that's where the whole **** show started, isn't it?

No. He was sort of going to run even back in 2000.



He hasn't even changed his act. It's still the same schtick.

 

[Stacyhs]

But it's still Obama's fault for triggering Trump to run for POTUS and retaliate against Obama for insulting him at the dinner.

I get why Obama did it back then. It was funny and easy and delicious... But that's where the whole **** show started, isn't it?

Trump hated Obama before then. Trump hates Obama because Obama is everything that Trump is not. This psychologist sums it up nicely:

But what is it about Obama that so injures Trump’s narcissism, compelling him to rage?

The answer is not that Obama is black, or a democrat. Rather, it is that in Obama, Trump sees his antithesis--everything he is not and cannot be. Politics aside, a fair look at what is already publicly known about the two men will suffice to conclude quite readily that Obama has basic decency, which is a core quality of character that garners intuitive respect across cultures and times, independent of one's status, wealth or fame.

Obama is a man in full: self-made, self-aware, self-contained, at peace with himself, at ease in the world, and capable of relating with people at eye level. He can laugh with others and at himself. By temperament, he's warm, emotionally stable, thoughtful, and open-minded. The bright side of humanity is self-evident and fully intact in Obama. He traffics in inspiration. Many of those who disagree with what he's done as a politician would not mind being who he is as a person.

Trump is at his core indecent. As a man, he's forever fledgling. Propped up by his wealthy father well into middle age, he struggles mightily with self-control, by his own admission fears self-reflection, and is clearly incapable of a range of human emotions, from empathy to humor. He has no use for tenderness, the arts, or spiritual pursuits. Trump traffics in debasement.

Despite his gilded life, he’s constantly aggrieved, embittered, and at war with the world. He appears to have no friends, only henchmen, lackeys, and hangers-on. The people he attracts into his orbit quite regularly turn out to be crass opportunists, con men and sleazebags, or greedy narcissists like him.

Sans honest self-knowledge and awareness, his self-love, like his relations with others, is shallow and transactional, and depends on constant external affirmations, none of which can fill the bottomless pit of his need. He’s a car without headlights. The moment the streetlights go off, he’s lost. Even among those who agree with what he's done as a politician, few would aspire to be who he is as a person.

Psychologically, we labor most to destroy that which is most threatening. And the most threatening is often what we most covet and can’t have. When Trump sees Obama he sees a truth that is both undeniable and untenable. Trump needs Obama extinguished like darkness needs light extinguished—in order to exist.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

But it's still Obama's fault for triggering Trump to run for POTUS and retaliate against Obama for insulting him at the dinner.

I get why Obama did it back then. It was funny and easy and delicious... But that's where the whole **** show started, isn't it?

So Obama was supposed to know Trump was a thin-skinned toddler?

Trump had been yelling from the roof tops: Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. And the event was supposed to include light roasting.

 

[Mader Levap]

I get tired of the tendency to attribute all of the deaths from COVID to Trump, without any reasonable comparison to similarly-situated countries.

I am quite sure that if Hillary was POTUS, republiloonies here and elsewhere would held her responsible for one, each and every COVID death.

I am fine with blaming Trump for one, each and every COVID death.

Tit for tat.

The experience in the US on a per-capita basis has been about the same as for Western Europe. Trump is a horrible poster-child for how to behave in a pandemic... but the virus itself has no political affiliation, and the spread of it is largely unrelated to what politicians say and how they behave.

Yes, yes, we all know he and his followers like you take no responsibility for his horrific screwup.

Yes, yes, we all know POTUS has no power and is meaningless figurehead position that cannot change anything whatsoever.

 

[Meadmaker]

No. He was sort of going to run even back in 2000.



He hasn't even changed his act. It's still the same schtick.

The first time I ever heard his name mentioned as a presidential candidate was 1988. I don't know if he ever said anything about it at that time, though. I was talking to our departmental secretary at work. (We still had one. We even called her a "secretary" instead of "administrative assistant.) She said we needed a businessman instead of a politician, and mentioned Donald Trump as the example of someone who would make a much better president than Dukakis or Bush.

 

[Tolls]

It's a live count, it updates regularly.

Which makes quoting daily figures from it at any one point pretty much useless.

But take the overall number (especially the deaths) and you see that the US really did not do well.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Rudy W. Giuliani tweeted
@RudyGiuliani
Incriminating Biden Documents Delivered To Delaware Police Department #BidenHardDrive
Rudy Giuliani’s analysis here: https://youtu.be/1VWyJGmyZuw

The hard-drive I turned over has revealed incriminating evidence of millions of dollars of financial crimes and equally significant evidence of endangerment of children.
To get this out I had to bear vicious attack by the Biden press goons.
But now it’s clear and let’s do RIGHT

 

[Armitage72]

Why is he taking it to the Delaware State Police? I thought the FBI already had it. Oh, right. He's just making **** up as he goes along.

 

[Mumbles]

No. He was sort of going to run even back in 2000.



He hasn't even changed his act. It's still the same schtick.

Lemme put it like this: Any yahoo with enough money can "run" for president, as many, *many* people have shown in the past. The *credit* for who becomes elected lies first and foremost with those who vote for an inept president - particularly when the person's faults are perfectly obvious.

Electors who fail at their sole justification for having their jobs are included in this block of people.

When I see people pointing fingers at Clinton or Obama, all I can think of is that old black American saying: They tried to tell y'all.

 

[Meadmaker]

Why is he taking it to the Delaware State Police? I thought the FBI already had it. Oh, right. He's just making **** up as he goes along.

The whole laptop thing puzzles me.

Joe Biden knows whether or not that laptop is really Hunter's. Joe Biden knows whether or not he, Joe, is "the big guy". This "damning" email is from the brief period in time when he was not a government official of any sort, so there's no corruption involved if he is trying to start a business in China, or thinking about it. Retired VP's can't start businesses? Assuming he didn't make some sort of promise about pulling strings, so what?

Last night during the debate he seemed to say that the laptop itself was a Russian plant. I doubt that it is, and that might come back to haunt him.

And us. I would hate to see Biden lose votes over this.

If there is real corruption, then that's a big issue. So far, this laptop provides some sort of evidence that Joe Biden might have been part of a business venture. Even that evidence is far from conclusive. I just am not sure he's doing the right things to put this issue to bed. He knows whether or not he is the "big guy". He knows whether or not the laptop is real. He knows what sort of businesses he might have been associated with at that time.

It's conceivable that Joe was actually not involved at all. Maybe it was pure Hunter, claiming some family influence he didn't have. If so, Biden knows that he wasn't involved, and can say that. Then it's Hunter's problem if Hunter was trying to cash in on the family name.

And maybe the whole laptop thing is totally bogus right from the start. i.e. it isn't even Hunter's laptop. Well, then say so explicitly.

Reading about 2016, I saw references to how Hillary surrounded herself by a small group of close advisers, and those close advisers didn't understand how big certain issues, like her emails, really were. I hope Joe isn't making the same mistake. I doubt he is, but this pseudo-issue can't be wished away. I hope his advisers have a good handle on how much influence this issue has on voters' minds. and have a good plan to knock it out if the problem gets too big.

ETA: Politicians always run a fine line when dealing with this sort of mudslinging and scandal-mongering. Pay too little attention to it, and it might grow out of control. Pay to much attention to it, and you elevate a tiny sideshow into the public eye. I just hope Joe's people have a good clue about what is the right amount of attention to spend on it.

 

[Andy_Ross]

It's complete bollocks.

 

[Bob001]

The whole laptop thing puzzles me.
.....

Nothing about this is known for certain. But everything about it is suspicious.

But no matter how the laptop, and whatever is on the hard drive, came to exist, the situation looks a lot like a classic Russian intelligence operation, according to an Estonian intelligence official with extensive experience in combating Russian spies. In a typical Russian disinformation operation, real documents are salted with forged or manipulated information and then presented in a way that news media — and social media — cannot resist.
Take the complex but clumsy way the laptop came to the Post, via a partially-sighted computer repair shop owner.

"It's just too perfect. A laptop is dropped off to a blind computer repairman in the name of Hunter Biden — in the middle of a presidential election — that happens to be filled with extensive documents along with videos of sex and drug use, and it ends up in the hands of the president's lawyer, who publicly admits to working closely with a Ukrainian official that the Trump administration itself has sanctioned as a Russian intelligence asset attempting to interfere in the presidential campaign," said the official, who cannot be named for security reasons.

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-laptop-real-fake-russian-intelligence-2020-10?op=1

More than 50 former senior intelligence officials have signed on to a letter outlining their belief that the recent disclosure of emails allegedly belonging to Joe Biden’s son “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276