Bill Barr and his October Surprise

Stacyhs said:
Leona Helmsley* was only charged with and convicted of tax evasion and fraud because she was sued by a contractor for failing to pay him for work done on her mansion. During the course of the lawsuit, falsified invoices were produced that appeared to be an attempt to avoid tax liabilities. This started a criminal investigation that lead to the tax convictions. Without the lawsuit, she'd have likely gotten away with the tax fraud/evasion.

Trump hasn't been charged with tax crimes. Yet. But I wouldn't bet that he won't be once he's out of office.

*"I don't pay taxes. Only little people pay taxes."
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Not investigating Trump's no doubt multiple crimes would be a disservice to the country and a huge missed opportunity to really trigger the cultists.
 
Seen on Twitter:

Hey guys no foolin' but I just found Hunter Biden's old Texas Instruments TI-80 graphing calculator at a Goodwill store in Doglick, Montana and on it were plans to kill God. We need to take this seriously.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
Neither you or I know what the FBI or DOJ is doing, stop pretending you do, and stop complaining about me putting out facts just because you don't like them.
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I think it is clear that if the FBI and DOJ know that a crime has been committed they tend to do . . . something?

If they had evidence that I was breaking the law for ten months I kinda think they would have contacted me by now.

Is it your position that the DOJ is going to just let the Bidens slide on the major crimes you have alleged occurred here? If so, that is some DerpState prime CT you are smoking.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Seen on Twitter:

Hey guys no foolin' but I just found Hunter Biden's old Texas Instruments TI-80 graphing calculator at a Goodwill store in Doglick, Montana and on it were plans to kill God. We need to take this seriously.
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I heard that it was pre-programed to provide the meaning of life if you just multiply 5 times 1,601,627. Truth.
 
Dr. Keith said:
I think it is clear that if the FBI and DOJ know that a crime has been committed they tend to do . . . something?

If they had evidence that I was breaking the law for ten months I kinda think they would have contacted me by now.

Is it your position that the DOJ is going to just let the Bidens slide on the major crimes you have alleged occurred here? If so, that is some DerpState prime CT you are smoking.
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Never said that at all, and not sure why you think they would contact Biden before an investigation is over. The targets are the last ones they interview, once they know everything. Considering this includes overseas money, I don't think putting a time limit of 10 months means much.
 
uke2se said:
What's the point of answering all of that? The conspiracy theory in the post you quoted is Q-anon level stupidity.
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Because it is the flimsiest of film-flam. The kind of stuff that if you let it stand they can build whole films about. This is the stuff that great debunkers and hard core BernieBros used to put time into debunking not by getting into the details, but by pointing out the absurdity of the claim and the world that would have to exist if that claim were true.

I don't even have to look at the documents that may or may not be real if their argument starts with "The FBI has had all this information for at least 10 months and yet has done nothing."

That ends the conversation right there. You don't even have to ask how long Rudy has known about it, when Rudy may have told Barr that the FBI has this information or when Rudy may have told Eric* about this stuff. None of the rest matters because the FBI has had all the facts for at least 9 months longer than it would take them to analyze them and determine that there was something to be investigated.


*Because let's face it, Eric is the only one who will pick up his calls these days, daddy makes him.
 
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TahiniBinShawarma said:
Never said that at all, and not sure why you think they would contact Biden before an investigation is over. The targets are the last ones they interview, once they know everything. Considering this includes overseas money, I don't think putting a time limit of 10 months means much.
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Ooh, monies overseas! That makes everything so complicated for the government of the United States of ******* America? Man, if only we had assets overseas . . .

I'm not putting a time limit on it. The election is putting a time limit on it. As Trump has shown, the President is immune to prosecution. If there is something out there that shows Biden is a crook the FBI had* a duty to do something about that before he is immune to prosecution, don't ya think?


*I previously used "has", but the fact is the clock has already run on this. About half the electorate has already voted. Why did Rudy wait so long? Timing is not his strength . . .
 
Dr. Keith said:
Because it is the flimsiest of film-flam. The kind of stuff that if you let it stand they can build whole films about. This is the stuff that great debunkers and hard core BernieBros used to put time into debunking not by getting into the details, but by pointing out the absurdity of the claim and the world that would have to exist if that claim were true.

I don't even have to look at the documents that may or may not be real if their argument starts with "The FBI has had all this information for at least 10 months and yet has done nothing."

That ends the conversation right there. You don't even have to ask how long Rudy has known about it, when Rudy may have told Barr that the FBI has this information or when Rudy may have told Eric* about this stuff. No-one of the rest matters because the FBI has had all the facts for at least 9 months longer than it would take them to analyze them and determine that there was something to be investigated.


*Because let's face it, Eric is the only one who will pick up his calls these days, daddy makes him.
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I agree with you if your goal is to debunk a conspiracy theory. The problem is, this conspiracy theory isn't designed to be a slow boil, building up an online following and eventually sell books and speaking engagements for a bunch of grifters. This conspiracy theory is designed to win an election that is in less than two weeks by clogging up the air waves and trying to reach low information voters through volume of disinformation. We all know it's BS. The people pushing it know it's BS. This is the Big Lie. We counter it through denying it air.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Ooh, monies overseas! That makes everything so complicated for the government of the United States of ******* America? Man, if only we had assets overseas . . .

I'm not putting a time limit on it. The election is putting a time limit on it. As Trump has shown, the President is immune to prosecution. If there is something out there that shows Biden is a crook the FBI had* a duty to do something about that before he is immune to prosecution, don't ya think?


*I previously used "has", but the fact is the clock has already run on this. About half the electorate has already voted. Why did Rudy wait so long? Timing is not his strength . . .
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No, because they aren't supposed to comment on open investigations.
 
phiwum said:
That seems more or less correct. The repair shop owner could be in legal jeopardy, but that has little to do with whether the emails are legitimate or not.

Now, the alleged smoking gun is hardly a big deal, seems to me. Honestly, if it is a totally fake email, then it seems like a trial balloon sent out before more seriously damning fake emails are released.

Trump regularly meets with people who have paid his company hundreds of thousands of dollars (for Mar-A-Lago fees, for instance) and his administration ends up benefiting those companies. Here we have an alleged meeting between Biden and a fellow working for Burisma (if I'm not mistaken) with no details about the context of the meeting and no record of the meeting according to Biden's spokesmen (who are not, of course, disinterested). There is already evidence that Biden's work in Ukraine had nothing to do with Burisma's interests and that didn't evidently change after the alleged meeting.

If this is all a ruse (which honestly seems pretty likely to me), it's not the real October surprise. It's merely setting the stage for more startling allegations.
There's little doubt that Hunter Biden profited from his father's position and that Burisma was interested in hiring him at least partly because of that position. This was a poor move on his part. It certainly doesn't make Biden look worse than the Trump family looks.
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And if the highlighted bit is the case, then Guiliani has blown his chance, because by releasing such patently and easily disproven lies, he's just shot the last tattered remnants of his credibility to hell and back.
 
uke2se said:
I agree with you if your goal is to debunk a conspiracy theory. The problem is, this conspiracy theory isn't designed to be a slow boil, building up an online following and eventually sell books and speaking engagements for a bunch of grifters. This conspiracy theory is designed to win an election that is in less than two weeks by clogging up the air waves and trying to reach low information voters through volume of disinformation. We all know it's BS. The people pushing it know it's BS. This is the Big Lie. We counter it through denying it air.
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That is why I'm trying to point out the Big Lie: Trump's FBI has been actively covering for the Biden family.

That is the pile of BS that this whole house of cards is built on. And when you get there you have to wonder if Trump is such a bad president that the whole Administrative Branch is turning on him or is Rudy just a bad liar playing to gullible marks. Either choice is good by me, frankly.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
No, because they aren't supposed to comment on open investigations.
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But you said it was an open and shut case. The evidence was clear, to you. The facts were simple, you summarized them in a single post. Fact, document, quote law, crime!

Are you wrong or are the FBI just not good at their jobs?
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
And if the highlighted bit is the case, then Guiliani has blown his chance, because by releasing such patently and easily disproven lies, he's just shot the last tattered remnants of his credibility to hell and back.
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Whoever picked DeepTuck to be the point man on the October Surprise is the real criminal in all of this.
 
Dr. Keith said:
I don't even have to look at the documents that may or may not be real if their argument starts with "The FBI has had all this information for at least 10 months and yet has done nothing."
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I think it's funny when you people keep saying 10 months as if that means anything.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Ooh, monies overseas! That makes everything so complicated for the government of the United States of ******* America? Man, if only we had assets overseas . . .

I'm not putting a time limit on it. The election is putting a time limit on it. As Trump has shown, the President is immune to prosecution. If there is something out there that shows Biden is a crook the FBI had* a duty to do something about that before he is immune to prosecution, don't ya think?


*I previously used "has", but the fact is the clock has already run on this. About half the electorate has already voted. Why did Rudy wait so long? Timing is not his strength . . .
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Yes, given the amount of early voting in the election, Rudy is at least two to three weeks late with all of this stuff. It kind of looks like even he realized what weak sauce it is, and decided to pull the trigger at the last second because everything else had failed.
 
CORed said:
Yes, given the amount of early voting in the election, Rudy is at least two to three weeks late with all of this stuff. It kind of looks like even he realized what weak sauce it is, and decided to pull the trigger at the last second because everything else had failed.
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Exactly. They knew it had to be last second since it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny, but last second doesn't work with mail in voting and early voting.

Another reason Trump wanted people to wait to vote?
 
Dr. Keith said:
But you said it was an open and shut case. The evidence was clear, to you. The facts were simple, you summarized them in a single post. Fact, document, quote law, crime!

Are you wrong or are the FBI just not good at their jobs?
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Stop putting words in my mouth. Never said it was open shut. I pointed out that the emails clearly show a no interest loan and that it's not allowed as no interest. You want to debunk that, go ahead.

You assume that the FBI would raid Biden's house and arrest him at some point over the past 10 months it if it were illegal. The FBI has more to do in such an investigation. You have no clue what is in the 25,000 emails, neither do I. Therefore, I'm not putting a time limit on it. If there were crimes, it wouldn't just be Biden the FBI was investigating, and there isn't a clock ticking regardless of them receiving the laptop 10 months ago.
 
Dr. Keith said:
How long did it take you to get to the bottom of it?
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You're the one saying the FBI got to the bottom of it and it was a nothing burger. Me pointing out your mysterious 10 month rule is bolderdash is what it is. Regardless of whatever words you try to insert into my mouth.
 
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