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Freedom of speech?

There are a disturbing number of people on this forum who seem to be of a mind that "Proud Boys" and their ilk are bad and violent, and Antifa are bad and violent, so it balances out because both sides are equally bad..... it doesn't and they aren't!

Antifa types are a loose movement of people who do not generally have criminal records and are only interested in opposing the rising tide of fascism and white supremacy. They mostly target far right-wing and white supremacist protests.

White Supremacist groups such as Proud Boys, Aryan Nation, The Base, Atomwaffen, Vanguard America & American Front et al are organised, violent, racist criminal gangs with assault and murder on their resume. They are bent on making America a "White Homeland", and to that end, they stockpile weapons, form armed militias and spread hate and vilification of anyone that doesn't match their imagined ideal of a white American patriot. They will commit violence ANYONE who disagrees with them, including other white people whom they regard as "race traitors".

Treating these two groups as "equally bad" is short-sighted and beyond ignorant.

Hey man, just because several known members of NSM, Aryan Strikeforce, Patriot Front, and The Base are regulars at Boston area protests, I'd have to be a crazy vigilante to consider lawfully carrying a concealed firearm in complete compliance with my license and local law.

Consider me scolded!
 
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The Proud Boys as a group are impotent twats.

A thought occurred to me reading this.

People seem to have a real need to elevate the significance of groups like The Proud Boys, or whatever other demon of the month happens to be in the neighborhood.


I haven't done much denunciation of The Proud Boys, but that's because I don't know much about them, and they don't seem like they are worth learning about. I wish they would put away their paintball guns and pepper spray, though. Someone could get hurt.

Have they shot anyone yet? It's hard to keep track of things. If I recall, one of them got shot dead by someone who really, really, didn't like the Proud Boys, and was later killed by police. Well that's bad all the way around. They sound like a bunch of trouble makers. Maybe they should go home.

And then, in this thread, one of them got his teeth knocked out. I guess maybe he might have done something bad, or might have wanted to do something bad. However, when I watch video of him getting his teeth knocked out, he wasn't doing anything bad. I'd prefer that people leave that whole teeth-knocking thing alone. No good comes of it.

So, why should I care about the Proud Boys enough that I would want to knock someone's teeth out? Do they have some sort of significance?
 
Today in adventures of the dangers of both sides



White supremacists were making moves to dox and/or murder federal agents that were responsible for the criminal investigations into other white supremacists that were investigated and charged for their violent actions at Unite the Right.

But yeah, someone at UTR on the "other side" probably threw a punch or two, so things are about equal .

https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-supremacist-chad-bagwell-allegedly-had-list-of-feds-to-kill-and-doxx-unsealed-file


Bbbbbbut! There's fine people, on both sides! :rolleyes:
 
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Hey man, just because several known members of NSM, Aryan Strikeforce, Patriot Front, and The Base are regulars at Boston area protests, I'd have to be a crazy vigilante to consider lawfully carrying a concealed firearm in complete compliance with my license and local law.

Consider me scolded!

Sarcasm noted :D
 
Hey man, just because several known members of NSM, Aryan Strikeforce, Patriot Front, and The Base are regulars at Boston area protests, I'd have to be a crazy vigilante to consider lawfully carrying a concealed firearm in complete compliance with my license and local law.

Consider me scolded!

In my humble opinion, those local laws that allow people, including you, to wander around with loaded guns are dumb as hell. You are in full compliance with a set of laws that are just plain nuts.
 
Yeah, and the feds handled that federal offense, like they have with generations of violent white supremacist biker gangs, for instance. That's no justification for you or I to go all Captain America in the street. They are violent criminals. We are not.

Well of course many exceptions have historically applied. Take the Greensboro massacre as an example, there the cops made sure to work with the KKK against the filthy commies. All nice and legal killing of 5 people.


BUt sure things are so much better now with the current police being not at all filled with white supremacists in anyway, or coordinating with "armed friendlies" like the proud boys.

Clearly the only thing to ever do is keep your mouth shut about such things.
 
Then...going out on a limb here...read the thread.

The Proud Boys as a group are impotent twats. Individuals may be trouble, as individuals have been for millennia. Here, the Proud Boys did nothing. Their opposite number initiated felonious violence. That's a problem for me.

:dl:

Here is some remedial reading for you on your "impotent twats"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...te-supremacist-group-law-enforcement-agencies

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/cr...rges/283-5467ebce-221d-4eb1-b0e1-ba3322847b94

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/04/15/police-proud-boys-used-surveillance-part-violent-plot

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ur-years-prison-violent-clash-antifa-n1070166
 
Look, men that shoot up synagogues are just inconsequential nobodies.

One of the women that was murdered by Dylan Roof was a track coach at my high school, but white supremacists are just fringe nobodies.

Everything is fine, just lay back and think patriotic thoughts.
 
In my humble opinion, those local laws that allow people, including you, to wander around with loaded guns are dumb as hell. You are in full compliance with a set of laws that are just plain nuts.

Yea they are only good when they are the militia members who the police call armed friendlies. Because working with the police is normal and expected for criminals and not something anyone should find disturbing and worrying.

I get it you don't care that the police work with the proud boys and other groups and don't think it has any relevance to how anyone should behave.

Just like with the Greensboro massacre if only the communist's had been unarmed the KKK totally would not have shot them, hence they KKK were only acting in self defense as the courts determined. That is how such things clearly should play out.
 
So, why should I care about the Proud Boys enough that I would want to knock someone's teeth out? Do they have some sort of significance?

I think the better question is: Why should anyone be particularly concerned about this one person getting their teeth knocked out?
 
The Proud Boys, in their own words:

Gavin McInnes said:
“We will kill you. That’s the Proud Boys in a nutshell.”

”We will assassinate you.”

“Don’t listen to what he has to say. Choke him.”

“Can you call for violence generally? Cause I am.”

“We need more violence from the Trump people. Trump supporters.”

“Get a ******* gun.”

https://thetyee.ca/News/2020/10/01/Gavin-McInnes-Proud-Boys-Violence/

They show up at the homes of their critics and beat people in the streets, but they're just a bunch of LARPers and of no consequence. Pay no mind that several of their members are currently serving jail sentences for politically motivated gang beatings, these don't matter.
 
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Then...going out on a limb here...read the thread.

The Proud Boys as a group are impotent twats. Individuals may be trouble, as individuals have been for millennia. Here, the Proud Boys did nothing. Their opposite number initiated felonious violence. That's a problem for me.

Members of the Proud Boys have committed numerous felonies.

Do you think the victims of their crimes believe them to be “impotent twats”?
 
Hey man, just because several known members of NSM, Aryan Strikeforce, Patriot Front, and The Base are regulars at Boston area protests, I'd have to be a crazy vigilante to consider lawfully carrying a concealed firearm in complete compliance with my license and local law.

Consider me scolded!

Carrying a firearm INTO A CROWD WHERE YOU EXPECT VIOLENCE is a game changer. It puts you on Team Anti-Human-Life. That is not a political expression.

GUNS CANNOT BE IN MOB VIOLENCE. YOU CAN KILL LITERALLY ANYONE IN RANGE OF THE WEAPON, INCLUDING UNINVOLVED BYSTANDERS. KILLING MOTHER ******* ON THE STREET IS NOT PART OF THE POLITICAL POSITION.

Corpses are real things, not clickbait on your home page. Do you really want the blood of some kid in a Fred Perry polo on your hands because you declare him 'The Fash', and the only good fash is dead fash?
 
You made a claim that violent rhetoric on this forum was only coming from the left.

I provided evidence that proved that claim to be incorrect.

The rationalization that you offered in response was to say that you don’t actually pay attention to violent rhetoric from the right.

If you’re not willing to look at both sides of the equation, how can your judgement on this issue be considered valid?

You've misunderstood. first off, I didn't offer a rationalization, I admitted that there were some violent rhetoric that I was unaware of - not that I "didn't pay attention to it", but that I literally do not see them because those people are on ignore for good reason.
 
Carrying a firearm INTO A CROWD WHERE YOU EXPECT VIOLENCE is a game changer. It puts you on Team Anti-Human-Life. That is not a political expression.

GUNS CANNOT BE IN MOB VIOLENCE. YOU CAN KILL LITERALLY ANYONE IN RANGE OF THE WEAPON, INCLUDING UNINVOLVED BYSTANDERS. KILLING MOTHER ******* ON THE STREET IS NOT PART OF THE POLITICAL POSITION.

Corpses are real things, not clickbait on your home page. Do you really want the blood of some kid in a Fred Perry polo on your hands because you declare him 'The Fash', and the only good fash is dead fash?

Yep clearly the communist's workers party were the ones entirely at fault in the Greensboro massacre. The KKK were totally innocent because the commies had guns so they were right to shoot them.
 
Carrying a firearm INTO A CROWD WHERE YOU EXPECT VIOLENCE is a game changer. It puts you on Team Anti-Human-Life. That is not a political expression.

GUNS CANNOT BE IN MOB VIOLENCE. YOU CAN KILL LITERALLY ANYONE IN RANGE OF THE WEAPON, INCLUDING UNINVOLVED BYSTANDERS. KILLING MOTHER ******* ON THE STREET IS NOT PART OF THE POLITICAL POSITION.

Corpses are real things, not clickbait on your home page. Do you really want the blood of some kid in a Fred Perry polo on your hands because you declare him 'The Fash', and the only good fash is dead fash?

Would you honestly feel guilty for killing a Proud Boy in self defense, assuming the shooting was consistent with legal/moral requirements of such things?

I wouldn't feel at all bad about saving my own life, or someone else's life, from an armed fascist. I wish Huber had a gun when he heroically confronted Rittenhouse, he might still be alive if he had.

Unilateral disarmament isn't peace, it's surrender.
 

Looked at the first article, which I have seen before. Says the feds consider proud boys a dangerous group. Agreed. Dangerous, and very very very very small. Very very very impotent to influence society, as some keep claiming. I assume the rest of the articles are similarly irrelevant to my point, but will check them later when off phone.
 
Looked at the first article, which I have seen before. Says the feds consider proud boys a dangerous group. Agreed. Dangerous, and very very very very small. Very very very impotent to influence society, as some keep claiming. I assume the rest of the articles are similarly irrelevant to my point, but will check them later when off phone.

Small groups can cast large shadows. The modern day KKK is quite a small group, but you'd be crazy to suggest getting a cross burned in your front yard wouldn't be intimidating.
 
I think the better question is: Why should anyone be particularly concerned about this one person getting their teeth knocked out?

I don't think anyone is concerned about this person getting their teeth knocked out. I doubt anyone here give a crap about that person at all.

On the other hand, I personally care a whole lot about the normalization of violence against people one disagrees with, and I personally care a whole lot about the unabashed lauding of the aggressor who knocked this guy's teeth out, and I personally care a lot about the bloodthirsty zealots who celebrate people getting their teeth knocked out because they feel morally superior and believe that violence against beliefs is justified on that basis.

I don't think I'm alone in holding that view.
 
Looked at the first article, which I have seen before. Says the feds consider proud boys a dangerous group. Agreed. Dangerous, and very very very very small. Very very very impotent to influence society, as some keep claiming. I assume the rest of the articles are similarly irrelevant to my point, but will check them later when off phone.

You understand they aren't the only one, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:White_supremacist_groups_in_the_United_States
 

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