Bill Barr and his October Surprise

Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Actually, it's been reported that Trump's aggression on hearing negative reports on Russia led to him being verbally briefed less and less on intelligence matters related to Russia. The material was still included in the written briefings, but it's long been reported that he doesn't have the attention span to actually read those.

So, yeah, when it comes to any piece of information about Russia it's entirely credible that Trump hasn't been informed of it.
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Whether Trump acts appropriately on it doesn't mean that the FBI should sit on it. If they inform him and he does nothing, that's on him. If they don't inform him, or Biden, then that's on them.
 
Minoosh said:
How do you know Trump wasn't told about this attempt?
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Could be. If he was, then I think we should be told. Given how much people leak against him, that doesn't seem likely to me. It seems really foolish of him to start pushing the Justice Department and the FBI for an explanation if he was told.
 
shuttlt said:
Sure, but they then apparently decided not to tell him about this actual attempt. If I know specifically that your neighbour is a homicidal maniac, has found the spare key to your house and has been muttering about killing you.... giving you a generalized warning that there are a lot of dangerous people about and your wife shouldn't leave the key under the mat is wilfully non-specific.
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Utter bull **** and continued evidence that you're ready to ignore every fact you find inconvenient.

The sources are compromised, the story of the information acquisition makes no sense, and the [mis]information has not been authenticated.
 
Babbylonian said:
Utter bull **** and continued evidence that you're ready to ignore every fact you find inconvenient.

The sources are compromised, the story of the information acquisition makes no sense, and the [mis]information has not been authenticated.
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This isn't a response to what I said in my post. Are you responding to a different post?
 
shuttlt said:
Could be. If he was, then I think we should be told.
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Wait a sec. You really believe the public at large should be briefed on all warnings the president receives? You mean in real time, or later? You don't necessarily announce publicly every detail of an investigation as it develops.

I have a hunch both men were told, but that's all it is.

shuttlt said:
It seems really foolish of him to start pushing the Justice Department and the FBI for an explanation if he was told.
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I agree it seems foolish. I think really he is telegraphing something to Barr, who for some reason is not quite willing to pull indictments out of his ass at Trump's behest.
 
Minoosh said:
Wait a sec. You really believe the public at large should be briefed on all warnings the president receives? You mean in real time, or later? You don't necessarily announce publicly every detail of an investigation as it develops.
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No, of course not. If at this point in the game Trump is using these emails to try to discredit Biden and claiming he didn't know they were fake, when in fact he was told about it and was told that the emails on the laptop were forged.... then I want to know.

Minoosh said:
I have a hunch both men were told, but that's all it is.
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That again would be shocking, that the emails have already been shown to be fake and we aren't being told. Why wouldn't Biden say something? It would be a terrific bit of corruption to take into the last days of the election.

Minoosh said:
I agree it seems foolish. I think really he is telegraphing something to Barr, who for some reason is not quite willing to pull indictments out of his ass at Trump's behest.
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I think indictments are a little way off what ever is going on. Trump is sticking his neck way out here..... He's making it much easier for the FBI to screw him if that's what the information they have does.
 
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Babbylonian said:
Utter bull **** and continued evidence that you're ready to ignore every fact you find inconvenient.

The sources are compromised, the story of the information acquisition makes no sense, and the [mis]information has not been authenticated.
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It's hard to credit that something this laughable is the actual October Surprise. Misdirection, surely?
 
shuttlt said:
They very clearly brief people about ongoing investigations. They briefed Trump and Obama about the Steele dossier while that was an ongoing investigation. We've been hearing about them briefing Obama about Flynn before that became an active investigation.

The way we are talking about this, it's like one of those nature documentaries where some innocent baby gazelle is about to be killed by a pack of hyenas and the film crew do nothing because they have vowed not to interfere in the natural order. I don't believe the FBI takes that same approach with foreign election interference.
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There's also the fact that the beneficiaries of the interference are the ones bearing a lot of responsibility for stopping it. Yet here we are.
 
Follow the hoax
"Drugs, underage obsessions, power deals," she said in the post. "Druggie Hunter makes Anthony Weiner's down under selfie addiction look normal."

The tweet, which was shared more than 53,000 times, then made its way to 4chan, where users anonymously speculated that it meant the FBI was investigating Hunter Biden. One user posing as Rion affirmed that speculation, saying the hard drive contained child pornography.

The real Rion tweeted Oct. 16 that she did not write the posts.

"For the record: I do not post on chat forums," she wrote. "I understand there are hoaxers posing as me."

By Sunday, the conspiracy theory had made its way to Fox News. "Sunday Morning Futures" host Maria Bartiromo noted that a name written on the back of a federal subpoena included in the Post’s story appears to belong to Joshua Wilson, an FBI agent who has worked on child pornography cases.

"Connect the dots: If an FBI agent is working on child pornography issues for five years, why is he subpoenaing the laptop of Hunter Biden? Is there a connection here?" Bartiromo asked Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis.

Our ruling
Several Facebook posts claim "Hunter Biden had 25,000 pics of him torturing and raping children under age 10 in China on his laptop."

There is no evidence to support that.
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https://www.politifact.com/factchec...hecking-unproven-claims-about-hunter-biden-a/

That's all interesting and likely true. But it never reported on an actual laptop. Oh well.
 
"Major Garrett
@MajorCBS
Via
@ClareHymes22

@CBSNews


The FBI & DOJ concur with DNI Ratcliffe’s assessment that Hunter Biden's laptop and the emails in question were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. FBI does has possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question.

@DNI_Ratcliffe

@FBI"
 
shuttlt said:
No, of course not. If at this point in the game Trump is using these emails to try to discredit Biden and claiming he didn't know they were fake, when in fact he was told about it and was told that the emails on the laptop were forged.... then I want to know.
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Did I miss it? I'm not seeing any widespread claim that the emails are fake.

From the Columbus Dispatch:
The main email highlighted by the Post is an April 2015 message that it said was sent to Hunter Biden by Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to Burisma’s board. In it, he thanks the younger Biden “for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent (sic) some time together. It’s realty (sic) an honor and pleasure.”
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Why would anyone bother making that up? It's a perfectly ordinary email and the Biden campaign has said it has no official record of such a meeting but that it could have happened.

If you have the text of other emails please link to them.

shuttlt said:
That again would be shocking, that the emails have already been shown to be fake and we aren't being told.
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Who's job is it to tell us? And again, who says they're fake?

shuttlt said:
Why wouldn't Biden say something?
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He has said something.
shuttlt said:
It would be a terrific bit of corruption to take into the last days of the election.
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What would the news be? Donald Trump is corrupt?
 
Trump getting Giuliani to fake an email and slander an opponents son is pretty tame for this administration honestly. Doing it in the most stupidly ham handed way possible is expected
 
dirtywick said:
Trump getting Giuliani to fake an email and slander an opponents son is pretty tame for this administration honestly. Doing it in the most stupidly ham handed way possible is expected
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You'd think he could have done better if he wanted to make something up.
 
Giuliani goes there

"sexually inappropriate...with a unnamed 14 year old girl"

"numerous pictures of underage girls"

Turns over evidence to Delaware State Police.

Don't shoot the messenger!
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
"Major Garrett
@MajorCBS
Via
@ClareHymes22

@CBSNews


The FBI & DOJ concur with DNI Ratcliffe’s assessment that Hunter Biden's laptop and the emails in question were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. FBI does has possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question.

@DNI_Ratcliffe

@FBI"
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It's going to be entertaining watching those who have been lecturing us about not trusting US government agencies, and what they say about the Russians, spin this one into orbit.
 
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