Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 25

[Segnosaur]

If they thought Shrub would have won, his father's cronies in the Supreme Court would have kicked it back to Florida. My guess is they were appraised of what the actual vote would turn out to be ahead of the ruling.

At the time there likely wasn't enough evidence for the republicans to be assured bush would win (especially since there were different factors in doing the recounts), so ending the recounts early would be the safest option.

Eta: here is a link to an article that discusses the recount in more detail.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/index.html

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trump Tweets

OUR GREAT USA WANTS & NEEDS STIMULUS. WORK TOGETHER AND GET IT DONE. Thank you!

A message to McConnell?

McConnell's life dream is to stack the courts. Trump still thinks he can win the election.

McConnell doesn't appear to care if Trump loses.

 

[Segnosaur]

A message to McConnell?

McConnell's life dream is to stack the courts. Trump still thinks he can win the election.

McConnell doesn't appear to care if Trump loses.

I think Moscow Mitch would prefer that trump would be re-elected, but just realizes trump doesn't have a chance at winning.

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[Beelzebuddy]

A message to McConnell?

No, pragmatism. The only way he can possibly turn this around is by throwing cash at it, which he's only willing to do because it isn't his cash anyway.

$10k for everyone in a swing state ought to do it.

 

[AnonyMoose]

A message to McConnell?

McConnell's life dream is to stack the courts. Trump still thinks he can win the election.
McConnell doesn't appear to care if Trump loses.

He may very well be right.

As much as I want to puke saying this, Trump's illness will do for him what 911 did for Dubya. Mark my words.

 

[Ladewig]

Have we already talked about President Trump’s #PlatinumPlan?

His plan will increase access to capital, fuel Black owned businesses, cut taxes, increase education opportunities, lower the cost of healthcare, further criminal justice reform, make Juneteenth a National Holiday, prosecute the KKK and ANTIFA as terrorist organizations, and make lynching a national hate crime.

Are there people dumb enough to not see that this item (and all the rest) is a hollow last-ditch campaign promise that Trump would never, ever, ever work towards?

 

[StillSleepy]

The people who would ostensibly benefit from the plan are not the targeted audience for the announcement of the plan.

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[Minoosh]

Have we already talked about President Trump’s #PlatinumPlan?



Are there people dumb enough to not see that this item (and all the rest) is a hollow last-ditch campaign promise that Trump would never, ever, ever work towards?

It looks so much like a random wish list that people just might perceive it that way.

Anyway, I wonder what the white supremacy advocates will think of treating the KKK like a terrorist group, making Juneteenth a national holiday etc.

And I think even some of the simpleminded realize there's a limit to what can be accomplished with an executive order. If he could do all that stuff, he would have done it already.

 

[Mumbles]

He may very well be right.

As much as I want to puke saying this, Trump's illness will do for him what 911 did for Dubya. Mark my words.

GWB's approval rating immediately shot up to 90% after the 9/11 attacks - in large part because he actually tried to, you know, lead the country. I'm guessing that, had his response been "I take no responsibility, the states should handle it", people would not have been so impressed.

Similarly, Dolt 45 would be in much less political trouble had he actually tried to lead the country at any point in time, rather than groveling before despots and winking fondly at violent white supremacists.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

He may very well be right.

As much as I want to puke saying this, Trump's illness will do for him what 911 did for Dubya. Mark my words.

I don't think so.

A key appeal of Trump is that he is triggering the Libs with not following the rules.
And getting hospitalized for not following the rules is very much a vindication of what the Libs have been saying all along.

 

[The Don]

I don't think so.

A key appeal of Trump is that he is triggering the Libs with not following the rules.
And getting hospitalized for not following the rules is very much a vindication of what the Libs have been saying all along.

Except that since getting the diagnosis, he has continued to act to "trigger teh libz" by attending fundraisers, not wearing a mask and going for a drive to acknowledge the "patriots" lurking, unmasked, outside the hospital.

This is a man who not only took one for the team by failing to bow to the libs and change his behaviour, but who has bravely soldiered on, doing work and getting out (in stark contrast to Hidin' Biden).

I fear that this is what his base want and may sway some undecideds who will consider his actions as strength.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Throughout his term, Trump had an air of invulnerability: Mueller, Impeachment, tons of negative books and news, and nothing seemed to stick.

This definitely does, to a degree that his supporters must not only fear his resignation/removal, but his actual demise.

All Authoritarians have one thing in common: they are powerful as long as they seem powerful. Weakness brings out the sharks.
This makes Trump seem weak, literally so.

You can be sure that the GOP is working feverishly on a post-Trump scenario, starting with looking for ways to get their campaign money back.

 

[Segnosaur]

As much as I want to puke saying this, Trump's illness will do for him what 911 did for Dubya. Mark my words.

I doubt it.

Opinion polls taken since Trump was diagnosed suggest that the majority of people think Trump had not done enough to protect himself against Covid19. Its hard to get sympathy when people think "you brought it on yourself".

Compare that to 9/11, where most people (apart from perhaps a few conspiracy theorists and the like) see the attacks as something that were unexpected. i.e. it was easier to see Bush as a sort of victim of circumstance who was put into a difficult situation through no fault of his own.

 

[Ethan Thane Athen]

Throughout his term, Trump had an air of invulnerability: Mueller, Impeachment, tons of negative books and news, and nothing seemed to stick.

This definitely does, to a degree that his supporters must not only fear his resignation/removal, but his actual demise.

All Authoritarians have one thing in common: they are powerful as long as they seem powerful. Weakness brings out the sharks.
This makes Trump seem weak, literally so.

You can be sure that the GOP is working feverishly on a post-Trump scenario, starting with looking for ways to get their campaign money back.

I'm not sure. They are already selling the narrative of him working through it - what a hero! They'll manage the usual logic disconnect of simultaneously holding in their heads two contradictory thoughts:

"What a warrior, carried on working through a vicious Chinese virus that has killed lesser men"

and

"It's all a hoax / no worse than the flu. Look at Trump - he had it and was fine."

Just like that stupid woman who posted to intimate that the democrats / deep state / liberal media had deliberately infected him via the mic and lectern during the debate (because he was fine before that) and then also posted what a warrior he was because he had whumped Biden in the debate, despite suffering from Covid.

Trump is a religion, immune to logic.

 

[Samson]

Latest Ladbroke odds, so democrats take total control:

Next US Presidential Election
Winning Party
Democrats
8/15
Republicans
6/4
Election Specials
Democrats to win control of House, Senate & White House
10/11
Republicans to win control of House, Senate and White House
4/1

 

[Mumbles]

It looks so much like a random wish list that people just might perceive it that way.

Anyway, I wonder what the white supremacy advocates will think of treating the KKK like a terrorist group, making Juneteenth a national holiday etc.

Standard technique - as always with the modern GOP, these are meant to signal that Toupee Fiasco falls into the safe, "not a racist" bin. The dumber white supremacists will howl and rage, the smarter ones will figure it out immediately.

(And by "dumber", I mean folks that think he cares about the KKK, or that he knew what Juneteenth even was before this year. These moves reek of Stephen Miller and Jared Kushner - just pathetically obvious.)

 

[timhau]

He may very well be right.

As much as I want to puke saying this, Trump's illness will do for him what 911 did for Dubya. Mark my words.

What it seems to have done so far, based on FiveThirtyEight's poll numbers, is a small uptick in his approval rating which isn't reflected in election polls.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Yeah but the defining oddness (politically speaking) of Trump has always been that nothing ever affects his approval rating. From the moment he really gained steam as the Republican nominee to now he's maintained that weirdly consistent 40 to 45-ish approval rating across more crises then the run of your average soap opera.

People made up their minds about Trump quickly and stayed there.

 

[timhau]

People made up their minds about Trump quickly and stayed there.

Accepting Donald Trump as your personal Lord and Savior seems to be the terminal thought to end all thought processes.

 

[johnny karate]

Except that since getting the diagnosis, he has continued to act to "trigger teh libz" by attending fundraisers, not wearing a mask and going for a drive to acknowledge the "patriots" lurking, unmasked, outside the hospital.

This is a man who not only took one for the team by failing to bow to the libs and change his behaviour, but who has bravely soldiered on, doing work and getting out (in stark contrast to Hidin' Biden).

I fear that this is what his base want and may sway some undecideds who will consider his actions as strength.

I really struggle to imagine the voter who has been up until now undecided on Trump, but has now decided to vote for him because he caught the coronavirus.