Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 25

[Trebuchet]

Pence is the special kind of crazy that comes from being sure.

It occurs to me he'd never have nominated Amy Coney Barrett. Women aren't to have authority over men, and all that. Plus she's a Catholic, not a Christian.

 

[Mojo]

Why isn't Trump tweeting? They took his phone?

No tweets for 12 hours now, and the last one said “Going well, I think!” #famouslastwords

 

[The Great Zaganza]

No tweets for 12 hours now, and the last one said “Going well, I think!” #famouslastwords

He has probably been sedated to offset his Adderall withdrawal symptoms.

 

[Andy_Ross]

wrong thread

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

OUR GREAT USA WANTS & NEEDS STIMULUS. WORK TOGETHER AND GET IT DONE. Thank you!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Retweeted

Black Voices for Trump
@BlackVoices4DJT
President @realDonaldTrump's Platinum Plan is designed to bring opportunity, security, fairness and prosperity to Black communities!

#BlackVoicesforTrump #PlatinumPlan

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Trump Retweeted

Black Voices for Trump
@BlackVoices4DJT
President @realDonaldTrump's Platinum Plan is designed to bring opportunity, security, fairness and prosperity to Black communities!

#BlackVoicesforTrump #PlatinumPlan

sounds like straight up racism to me, giving one group of people based on their skin color a different plan than others.

but it's okay since a) it's Trump doing it and b) nothing is actually being done.

 

[Aridas]

sounds like straight up racism to me, giving one group of people based on their skin color a different plan than others.

but it's okay since a) it's Trump doing it and b) nothing is actually being done.

FFIW, most of the main Democratic candidates also had something of a special focus on plans to help black people. It's not racism to work to try to correct harm done by long-term systemic racism, either way.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

FFIW, most of the main Democratic candidates also had something of a special focus on plans to help black people. It's not racism to work to try to correct harm done by long-term systemic racism, either way.

I know.
But Trump just boasted about removing any mention of Race in anything coming from the government. He is violating his own rules.
As usual.

 

[Mader Levap]

sounds like straight up racism to me, giving one group of people based on their skin color a different plan than others.
but it's okay since a) it's Trump doing it and b) nothing is actually being done.

You know, affirmative action can be constituted as racism. Apparently, some people think racism in other direction is okay.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

You know, affirmative action can be constituted as racism. Apparently, some people think racism in other direction is okay.

I think we are talking passed each other.

I have no problem with using race as one of the parameters to allocate resources when we can establish a correlation between race and beneficial outcomes of extra support.

My point is that this is anathema to Republicans in general, and current Trump polices with a ban on Critical Race Theory in particular.
I am amazed by the ability of Trump supporters to constantly hold contradictory positions as long as Trump does, too.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

He hasn't been very active on the Twitter front latelly. I'm taking that as a sign he's not well.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

The narrower the margin, the more determinative causes for an outcome. For instance, Gore might have won Florida if he would have skipped lunch on Nov 2. The margin in 2016 was also paper thin.

Gore did win in Florida, a combination of US citizens (at c 80,000) illegally disenfranchised in a classic Jim Crow manoeuvre and the Supreme Court illegally stopping the count cheated him out of the win.

Never forget that.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I don't think there are tens of thousands of qualified nominators. Thousands maybe:

To get to the figure of 10,259 permitted to nominate for a Nobel Peace Prize I added the numbers of the parliaments of the following countries: India, China, USA, Germany, France, UK, Italy, Brazil, Spain and Nigeria. Just ten countries, admittedly picked largely because I know they'd have substantial parliament numbers, gets you there.

 

[Segnosaur]

Gore did win in Florida, a combination of US citizens (at c 80,000) illegally disenfranchised in a classic Jim Crow manoeuvre and the Supreme Court illegally stopping the count cheated him out of the win.



Never forget that.

I can't speak of the disenfranchisement (something that is not surprising, given Florida's recent handling of ex-felons), but the supreme Court issue is a bit... Fuzzier. The problem is that there were several factors... How do you count dimpled and hanging chads, do you do a statewide recount or only counties requested by Gore, etc. Some combinations of those would have seen Gore win, other combinations would have seen Bush win.

Not that I think the supreme Court should have stopped the count, but it is possible (not certain, just possible) that even if they allowed the vote counts to continue Bush might still have won.

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[Gulliver Foyle]

But that's the thing - it probably wouldn't upset his base. His base is used to dogwhistles, and used to "saying the quiet part quiet" and all that. They know that, even today, outright support for white supremacy is a losing proposition in most places. So they'll wave it away, they know there's an asterisk on his public denials. They won't care about what he says in public as long as he keeps saying the right things in private, and still actually does the racist things they want him to be doing.

But he's been saying what they want to hear loud and clear for near on four years now. And he's pushed the rest of the traitor party into dropping the dog whistles for open racism too. It is very hard to get the genie back into the bottle after it's been left out, just look at what happened to the DNVP when the Nazis came along.

 

[alfaniner]

He hasn't been very active on the Twitter front latelly. I'm taking that as a sign he's not well.

He's too busy working for America by signing papers!!!

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I disagree. One saving grace of Trump is that he is incompetent with his ego ruining everything in its path. Not Pence. You'll see next week that he is a very polished debater without the braggadocio. But he's way farther to the right than Trump. A Pence presidency on more than an interim basis is truly a thing to be feared.

Pence is as much of an incompetent as Trump is, he only jumped on the Trump train because he was getting slaughtered in Indiana due to his personal incompetence.

FFIW, most of the main Democratic candidates also had something of a special focus on plans to help black people. It's not racism to work to try to correct harm done by long-term systemic racism, either way.

That'd be ok if the actual plan weren't to give rich white people loads of money and political favours at the expense of poor black people. The first good thing Trump will do for black people is keeling over.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I can't speak of the disenfranchisement (something that is not surprising, given Florida's recent handling of ex-felons), but the supreme Court issue is a bit... Fuzzier. The problem is that there were several factors... How do you count dimpled and hanging chads, do you do a statewide recount or only counties requested by Gore, etc. Some combinations of those would have seen Gore win, other combinations would have seen Bush win.

Not that I think the supreme Court should have stopped the count, but it is possible (not certain, just possible) that even if they allowed the vote counts to continue Bush might still have won.

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If they thought Shrub would have won, his father's cronies in the Supreme Court would have kicked it back to Florida. My guess is they were appraised of what the actual vote would turn out to be ahead of the ruling.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Not that I think the supreme Court should have stopped the count, but it is possible (not certain, just possible) that even if they allowed the vote counts to continue Bush might still have won.

We’re drifting pretty far off topic, but I believe the Miami Herald did a comprehensive investigation and came to the conclusion that Bush would have won in the end.