Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 25

[Segnosaur]

If Trump squeaks out a "win", I wonder if in the end it would be a good thing? After decades of comparative global peace (no follow-up WWIII), a couple or three generations of comfortable living have induced a general complacency, a lack of vigilance against threats to democracy. Especially domestic.

The shock of the realization that the Republic is in real danger might inspire a genuine fight to preserve it. "We have a Republic, if we can keep it." The test of that might just be about to be implemented. Fail, and then it could well be that democracy is too advanced a proposition for deplorable Man at this time.

One problem with your suggestion is that the longer the republicans are in charge the harder it will be to dislodge them... Enacting further voter suppression that keeps them in power, more right wing judges willing to play politics to help them get re-elected, etc.

If one trump term wasn't enough to get people willing to work towards shoring up democracy, nothing will.

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[Darat]

A plan that we're going to start thinking about starting to create any day now. Honest.

In two weeks.....

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Let's note again that tens of thousands of people around the world can nominate anybody for the Nobel Peace Prize, among them legislators, senior government officials, and university professors and former professors in multiple fields. And all they have to do is write a letter. You, I and most people on this forum probably know people who could submit a nomination, and some could do it ourselves. Maybe what would get Trump's goat would be to run lists of all the nominees, in alphabetical order.
https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/

We went through this before (trying to remember who claimed to be nominated). Anyway, nominees are never disclosed by the Nobel Committee until 50 years after the fact.

Neither the names of nominators nor of nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize may be divulged until 50 years have elapsed.

So someone tells Trump they nominated him, and he starts believing he will win and of course when he doesn't, he'll claim it was rigged, people out to get him as usual.


I don't think there are tens of thousands of qualified nominators. Thousands maybe:

According to the statutes of the Nobel Foundation, a nomination is considered valid if it is submitted by a person who falls within one of the following categories:

Members of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of states
Members of The International Court of Justice in The Hague and The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague
Members of l’Institut de Droit International
Members of the international board of the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom
University professors, professors emeriti and associate professors of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion; university rectors and university directors (or their equivalents); directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes
Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
Members of the main board of directors or its equivalent of organizations that have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
Current and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee (proposals by current members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after 1 February)
Former advisers to the Norwegian Nobel Committee

Who was it nominated Trump again?

Ah, I found it MSN:

In Trump's case, he was nominated by Christian Tybring-Gjedde, a far-right Norwegian lawmaker, for his "groundbreaking cooperation agreement between the United Arab Emirates and Israel." It's the second time Tybring-Gjedde has nominated Trump for the prize. The first time was in 2018 for the "huge and important step in the direction of the disarmament, peace and reconciliation between North and South Korea." And it's the third time Trump has been nominated; he was nominated in 2016 by a person who preferred to remain anonymous for "vigorous peace through strength ideology, used as a threat weapon of deterrence against radical Islam, ISIS, nuclear Iran and Communist China."

 

[Stacyhs]

We went through this before (trying to remember who claimed to be nominated). Anyway, nominees are never disclosed by the Nobel Committee until 50 years after the fact.



So someone tells Trump they nominated him, and he starts believing he will win and of course when he doesn't, he'll claim it was rigged, people out to get him as usual.


I don't think there are tens of thousands of qualified nominators:

Who was it nominated Trump again?

Ah, I found it MSN:

From my source above regarding Trump's Nobel claim:

On Sept. 9, Christian Tybring-Gjedde, a far-right Norwegian politician, announced on Fox News that he had nominated Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize.

“For his merit, I think he has done more trying to create peace between nations than most other Peace Prize nominees,” Tybring-Gjedde said.

In his nominating letter, Tybring-Gjedde cited Trump’s role in establishing relations between Israel and the United Arab Emirates. He also cited Trump’s “key role in facilitating contact between conflicting parties and … creating new dynamics in other protracted conflicts, such as the Kashmir border dispute between India and Pakistan, and the conflict between North and South Korea, as well as dealing with the nuclear capabilities of North Korea.”

Two days later, Magnus Jacobsson, a member of Sweden’s Parliament for the Christian Democrats, announced via Twitter that he, too, had nominated Trump for the award, along with the governments of Kosovo and Serbia “for their joint work for peace and economic development.”

 

[Bob001]

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I don't think there are tens of thousands of qualified nominators. Thousands maybe:
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Sure. I was just guessing. But if you add up all the members of all the world's national assemblies and senior government officials, and all the world's current and former professors and assistant professors of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion, that has to be a big number. The U.S. alone has more than 4000 colleges and universities. If they each have or have had at least two history professors and two sociology/psychology/economics etc. professors, that's 16,000 right there. And just one big state u. could have hundreds.
https://www.usnews.com/education/be...are-in-the-us-and-why-that-number-is-changing

My point is just that a Nobel "nominator" is not hard to find.

 

[gypsyjackson]

Sure. I was just guessing. But if you add up all the members of all the world's national assemblies and senior government officials, and all the world's current and former professors and assistant professors of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion, that has to be a big number. The U.S. alone has more than 4000 colleges and universities. If they each have or have had at least two history professors and two sociology/psychology/economics etc. professors, that's 16,000 right there. And just one big state u. could have hundreds.
https://www.usnews.com/education/be...are-in-the-us-and-why-that-number-is-changing

My point is just that a Nobel "nominator" is not hard to find.

Yeah, 200 countries with - total guess - average of 200 legislators each is 40000 right there. Of course there are lots of small countries with only a handful, but the UK has 1400, the US more than 500, so that will balance it out a bit.

ETA - the Interparliamentary Union said 46,552 in 2012

MPs: There are 46,552 MPs in the world. The global average number of parliamentarians per country is 245. China has the largest parliament with 3,000 members in the Chinese National People’s Congress. The world’s smallest parliament is in Micronesia, with just 14 MPs.

Also in 2012 the NPP went to the EU, which the European Commission said went to all its citizens at the time. I intend to test whether I can become a nominator under the previous winners rule!

 

[newyorkguy]

Congressman Eric Swalwell tweeted:

Rep. Eric Swalwell
He’s broke. And facing criminal charges. That’s why @realDonaldTrump is sabotaging the mail, welcoming foreign interference, and inciting violence to win an election. This is going to be a rocky ride — but civic participation and unity are our antidotes. Twitter link

 

[SezMe]

Trump Retweeted
Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
Judge Amy Coney Barrett is a remarkable nominee, and the Senate should confirm her without delay.

The RNC is investing $10M to promote her qualifications, expose Democrats’ partisanship, and use this issue to galvanize voters to the polls in November!

There's people who don't know that the Dems are partisan??!! Well, I'll be darned; what a world we live in.

 

[SezMe]

If Trump squeaks out a "win", I wonder if in the end it would be a good thing? After decades of comparative global peace (no follow-up WWIII), a couple or three generations of comfortable living have induced a general complacency, a lack of vigilance against threats to democracy. Especially domestic.

The shock of the realization that the Republic is in real danger might inspire a genuine fight to preserve it. "We have a Republic, if we can keep it." The test of that might just be about to be implemented. Fail, and then it could well be that democracy is too advanced a proposition for deplorable Man at this time.

Don't wonder. Another Trump presidency and global warming would probably be irreversible. So, sure, we'd eventually have a democracy .... in the United States of Burnt Toast.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Patrick Yoes, President of the National Fraternal Order of Police to @realDonaldTrump:
“You sir, have never turned your back on America’s law enforcement… On behalf of America’s largest law enforcement organization… we give you our unanimous & enthusiastic endorsement.”

I certainly hope Patrick Yoes isn’t a police detective. I imagine it would be quite embarrassing for him to have then somehow missed Donald “Law and Order” Trump is a lifelong criminal.

 

[Segnosaur]

And in another case of "what the heck just happened?"

Brad Pascale (Trump's former campaign manager, who has been accused of misusing campaign funds) has been hospitalized after a suicide attempt.

Now before people start making crass comments, and others say it's not appropriate... Someone on the trump campaign has already tried to blame it on the democrats and RINOs.

Stay classy, republicans.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/27/politics/brad-parscale-hospitalized/index.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...-hospitalized-self-harm-threats-police-2020-9

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[Lurch]

Just saw a TYT video about Parscale in hospital after SWAT got him talked down from committing suicide...

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Just saw a TYT video about Parscale in hospital after SWAT got him talked down from committing suicide...

Nothing to do with commiting large-scale fraud I'm sure.

 

[alfaniner]

Oooh, Trump's brain has to be bubbling like those pingpong balls before a lottery draw. He is going to be so ****** for the debate this week.

Of course he's going to skip it.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Just saw a TYT video about Parscale in hospital after SWAT got him talked down from committing suicide...

I'll just say that I'm glad that he didn't resort to using any of the many guns he had in the house, and allowed himself to be taken into care in custody. I hope he gets proper treatment. There have been FAR too many USAians topping themselves with guns as a first resort in recent years.

What is going to be more fun/alarming/predictable is what comes from the Trump campaign in its filth-generating Calliope of Crap. Anyone want to make any predictions?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Retweeted

David J Harris Jr
@DavidJHarrisJr
Maybe the Clintons won't get away it after all.
John Durham’s Investigation Takes Over Parts of US Attorney John Huber’s Clinton Foundation Probe
djhjmedia.com

Project Veritas Exposes Ilhan Omar’s Connections to Ballot Harvesting
https://djhjmedia.com/kari/video-pr...ilhan-omars-connections-to-ballot-harvesting/
Sara A. Carter
@SaraCarterDC

ELECTION FRAUD: Project Veritas @JamesOKeefeIII uncovers alleged ballot harvesting in Rep. Ilahn Omar’s district
Looks like @realDonaldTrump's warnings were right #ElectionFraud

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

This is totally illegal. Hope that the U.S. Attorney in Minnesota has this, and other of her many misdeeds, under serious review??? If not, why not??? We will win Minnesota because of her, and law enforcement. Saved Minneapolis & Iron O Range!
Quote Tweet

Breitbart News
@BreitbartNews
Project Veritas has released the results of an investigation into alleged ballot harvesting by supporters of Democrat Rep. Ilhan Omar in Minnesota, a key swing state in the 2020 presidential election. https://trib.al/cN1GmtK

 

[Armitage72]

Project Veritas? Well, that's game over then. They're an unimpeachable paragon of journalistic integrity. Nobody could possibly question their findings.

 

[The Don]

Project Veritas? Well, that's game over then. They're an unimpeachable paragon of journalistic integrity. Nobody could possibly question their findings.

President Trump will be pushing it, so it hardly matters whether it's actually true.

 

[Aridas]

**** me!

Looks like the Biden campaign already has a simple comparison ad out.