Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

[TurkeysGhost]

Louisville police arrest a city councilwoman on felony riot and then besieged a church that was harboring protestors.

Hearts and minds baby!

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Fake Church.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Leaving this here for Emily’s Cat who has claimed that violent rhetoric only comes from the left:

I never claimed that.

 

[johnny karate]

I never claimed that.

Oops...

I don't take the side of any of them. And if you took a moment to look around, you would perhaps recognize that the only people on ISF who routinely advocate for violence are all people who consider themselves progressive leftists.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Oops...

Fair point.

Allow me to amend that to say that that the only people on ISF whose posts I see who routinely advocate for violence are all people who consider themselves progressive leftists.

 

[Scopedog]

de-humanization of the people you disagree with: necessary to justify violence and oppression of your fellow human beings.

Aren't the people swarming the vehicles dehumanizing and oppressing the occupants of the vehicles? I'm absolutely not suggesting that two wrongs make a right but your statement seems conspicuously skewed.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Fair point.

Allow me to amend that to say that that the only people on ISF whose posts I see who routinely advocate for violence are all people who consider themselves progressive leftists.

Sure if you ignore the people advocating for the cops to just shoot the protestors and the "Well what did the expect when you hang out with that kind of crowd? They deserve it for being a thug" excuses and all that, sure.

 

[johnny karate]

Fair point.

Allow me to amend that to say that that the only people on ISF whose posts I see who routinely advocate for violence are all people who consider themselves progressive leftists.

Thanks for acknowledgement.

However, if your original claim is reduced to only include phenomena which you personally witness, it renders the underlying point moot.

 

[caveman1917]

Consider this event in Exarchia, Athens last year. IIRC it was successful in delaying the advance of the cops to Exarchia Square to the extent that the vast majority of undocumented people the cops were trying to capture, and effectively throw in camps, had "disappeared" from the festival there by the time the cops had managed to finally arrive.

Though I should probably add what happened afterwards. When the cops eventually arrived at the square and found that their "loot" had disappeared they launched into what can only be described as a murderous rage and proceeded to attack the social center K*Vox located at the square, presumably to try to "vacuum garbage" inside after failing at the festival itself, attacking anyone trying to film. Luckily K*Vox could be successfully defended and the cops didn't get in, though with one person hospitalized in the fight at the entrance. Anyway, my point is, don't underestimate the cops' response when you frustrate them like that (if K*Vox hadn't been successfully defended people inside would've simply been beaten crippled or even to death). Then of course, maybe none of this even applies to the US, as the tactic assumes that cops can't just pull a gun and execute you on the spot for the slightest sign of disobedience.

 

[portlandatheist]

Oregon State Police and Multnomah County Sheriff's Office turn down a request by Portland Police Bureau to help in crowd control during Proud Boy rally this weekend.
KGW link

Gov. Kate Brown is giving a live press conference right now. Tear gas will be allowed by the police. The highest priority of law enforcement is keeping Proud Boys and counter-protesters separated from each other.

 

[caveman1917]

The highest priority of law enforcement is keeping Proud Boys and counter-protesters separated from each other.

How would they do that when they can't even keep themselves and Proud Boys separated from each other?

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Oops...

I don't think I routinely do that, which is precisely why you pounced on it this time like you did.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Aren't the people swarming the vehicles dehumanizing and oppressing the occupants of the vehicles? I'm absolutely not suggesting that two wrongs make a right but your statement seems conspicuously skewed.

I'd rather be in a swarmed vehicle than under one.

The two situations are not equivalent.

 

[Sherkeu]

Gov. Kate Brown is giving a live press conference right now. Tear gas will be allowed by the police. The highest priority of law enforcement is keeping Proud Boys and counter-protesters separated from each other.

Does either group have a permit?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Oregon governor has declared a state of emergency for this weekend's proud boy fascist rally.

Importantly, this means the fash friendly PPB aren't in charge. Oregon state cops will take the lead.

This may dissuade right wing violence. The extreme permissiveness of the Portland police are a big reason why the proud boys, some who travel from out of state, seem to prefer this city.

https://twitter.com/ryanjhaas/status/1309539500599640065?s=19

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Oregon governor has declared a state of emergency for this weekend's proud boy fascist rally.

Importantly, this means the fash friendly PPB aren't in charge. Oregon state cops will take the lead.

This may dissuade right wing violence. The extreme permissiveness of the Portland police are a big reason why the proud boys, some who travel from out of state, seem to prefer this city.

https://twitter.com/ryanjhaas/status/1309539500599640065?s=19

So what's the worst the Proud Boys (who are a soft, cucky, multiracial basic Trump supporter group - not fascist) have done in Portland? Hit some aggressive Antifa with paintballs?

On the other side, I'm aware of y'know... murders, tons and tons of arson, tons of physical attacks on people... looting... etc.

So lay out for me what the Proud Boys are guilty of, as compared to that.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

So what's the worst the Proud Boys (who are a soft, cucky, multiracial basic Trump supporter group - not fascist) have done in Portland? Hit some aggressive Antifa with paintballs?



On the other side, I'm aware of y'know... murders, tons and tons of arson, tons of physical attacks on people... looting... etc.



So lay out for me what the Proud Boys are guilty of, as compared to that.

One of them vandalised the sidewalks when he bled to death all over them from a gunshot wound. Probably needed a pressure washer to get all of "Jay" off the ground

 

[Skeptic Tank]

One of them vandalised the sidewalks when he bled to death all over them from a gunshot wound. Probably needed a pressure washer to get all of "Jay" off the ground

Whatever issues the Proud Boys may have, for you to look at the Antifa / BLM crowd and what they've been doing over the last several months and still end up feeling like they're the good guys, even to the point where you seemingly bask in the glow of a murder they performed, seems to me to be a strange place to be at mentally.

 

[johnny karate]

I don't think I routinely do that, which is precisely why you pounced on it this time like you did.

I like how you advocate for mass murder and express violent fantasies in graphic detail, and then your defense is “I only do it occasionally”. Classic.

 

[Mumbles]

Oregon governor has declared a state of emergency for this weekend's proud boy fascist rally.

Importantly, this means the fash friendly PPB aren't in charge. Oregon state cops will take the lead.

This may dissuade right wing violence. The extreme permissiveness of the Portland police are a big reason why the proud boys, some who travel from out of state, seem to prefer this city.

https://twitter.com/ryanjhaas/status/1309539500599640065?s=19

Depends on how the Oregon state PD behaves, I suppose. Forgive me for finding this...less than reassuring, but that state does have a history after all.