Ed Indictment in Breonna Taylor case.

[ponderingturtle]

Breona was a bystander.

People in other apartments were bystanders.

Killing Breona: not wrong.

Potentially harming or killing anyone else: wrong.

The law is funny sometimes.

Breona's death is less of an offense than some distress and anxiety the neighbors were placed in.

White Drywall matters.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Cops lied. Breonna died.
And thats just fine with 40% of America .

Cops are allowed to lie in court and official statements, that is one of the powers that will never be questioned by those like Bikewer. Lying to the judge to get a warrant, that is normal and expected by anyone familiar with the cops.

 

[rockinkt]

Yep when sleeping people get shot it is normal, hence why it is outrageous that face any consequence at all. They should be treated like great officers like Philip Brailsford when he was totally justified in his shooting of Daniel Shaver.

It is outrageous to think that cops should ever have to worry about where they bullets go.

Taylor and her boyfriend were not shot while they were asleep.
They were both awake and standing in the hall when her boyfriend started shooting at the cops who announced themselves long before they entered the house.
I cannot imagine anyone thinking that police returning fire after they have been shot at and one of their members hit while conducting a perfectly legal search is somehow not justified. Such an irrational thought process that flies in the face of the evidence seems to only come from people who hold a deep and irrational hatred of police.

 

[Mumbles]

You seem to be unaware of a major fact:

"But a judge had also signed a warrant allowing the police to search Ms. Taylor’s residence because the police said they believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages. Ms. Taylor had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him, according to her family’s lawyer."https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html

We're all aware of it. And?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Taylor and her boyfriend were not shot while they were asleep.
They were both awake and standing in the hall when her boyfriend started shooting at the cops who announced themselves long before they entered the house.
I cannot imagine anyone thinking that police returning fire after they have been shot at and one of their members hit while conducting a perfectly legal search is somehow not justified. Such an irrational thought process that flies in the face of the evidence seems to only come from people who hold a deep and irrational hatred of police.

I mean they made up the evidence and claimed the post office said things they didn't but that is normal police procedure. You need to put your thumb on the scales of justice sometimes. That is perfectly normal and allowed in america.

 

[rockinkt]

Cops are allowed to lie in court and official statements, that is one of the powers that will never be questioned by those like Bikewer. Lying to the judge to get a warrant, that is normal and expected by anyone familiar with the cops.

You have made a completely irrational and non-factual statement that smears all police officers. You need to apologize to the countless good cops around the world you have just insulted and accused of something that the vast majority would never do.


(BTW - If you have the statistics and evidence based on investigations and studies conducted over a period of years that prove your statement - I will apologize for stating that you are making an irrational statement based on irrational and one-sided opinions that have no facts to back them up.
I'll not be holding my breath.)

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I mean they made up the evidence and claimed the post office said things they didn't but that is normal police procedure. You need to put your thumb on the scales of justice sometimes. That is perfectly normal and allowed in america.

It's too much work for the Prosecutor to force a Plea otherwise.
And the judges are happy not to have to actually hear a case.
Everyone is happy, right?

 

[rockinkt]

I mean they made up the evidence and claimed the post office said things they didn't but that is normal police procedure. You need to put your thumb on the scales of justice sometimes. That is perfectly normal and allowed in america.

What are you babbling about?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

You have made a completely irrational and non-factual statement that smears all police officers. You need to apologize to the countless good cops around the world you have just insulted and accused of something that the vast majority would never do.


(BTW - If you have the statistics and evidence based on investigations and studies conducted over a period of years that prove your statement - I will apologize for stating that you are making an irrational statement based on irrational and one-sided opinions that have no facts to back them up.
I'll not be holding my breath.)

The Supreme Court literally decided that Cops don't have to know the law.
It has also decided that cops can never be charged directly unless the circumstances are 100% identical to a previous case decided against a cop.

In short, there is no downside for cops to lie. And every criminal defense lawyer will tell you that they do.

 

[rockinkt]

It's too much work for the Prosecutor to force a Plea otherwise.
And the judges are happy not to have to actually hear a case.
Everyone is happy, right?

 

[ponderingturtle]

It's too much work for the Prosecutor to force a Plea otherwise.
And the judges are happy not to have to actually hear a case.
Everyone is happy, right?

And how could any death that result from that kind of illegal action ever be thought of through a vein of felony murder. I mean holding cops accountable when they have a criminal conspiracy is right out.

 

[ponderingturtle]

The Supreme Court literally decided that Cops don't have to know the law.
It has also decided that cops can never be charged directly unless the circumstances are 100% identical to a previous case decided against a cop.

In short, there is no downside for cops to lie. And every criminal defense lawyer will tell you that they do.

Hell watch the news where they put out official statements that then get contradicted by the video evidence. Yet none of them are ever charged with obstruction of justice.

 

[rockinkt]

The Supreme Court literally decided that Cops don't have to know the law.
It has also decided that cops can never be charged directly unless the circumstances are 100% identical to a previous case decided against a cop.

In short, there is no downside for cops to lie. And every criminal defense lawyer will tell you that they do.

No cop can know all the laws and can be perfect in every case involving judgement of conflicting facts. That is not surprising since we do not hold lawyers to that standard either.

Got any cities to backup your other assertions?

 

[Mumbles]

No cop can know all the laws and can be perfect in every case involving judgement of conflicting facts. That is not surprising since we do not hold lawyers to that standard either.

Got any cities to backup your other assertions?

Look up what "partial immunity" is.

Then, look up "testilying".

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Is there any evidence that either Breonna or the man who shot at home invaders had any idea that it was cops busting down the door in the dead of night?

The cops are claiming that they announced before knocking the door in. Yelling "police" and then immediately breaking down the door in the dead of night is not meaningfully different than not announcing. The occupants were sleeping. It's unreasonable to think that they are aware enough to understand that police are there.

What purpose does announcing serve if the people it is intended for are sleeping?

The 911 call from within the apt is pretty clear that the man who opened fire had no idea who was there or why. The announcement, real or police fabrication, did not exist in any practical sense

An experiment you can do at home. Stand outside the home and yell a code word, then storm in. If the sleeping resident can't tell you the code word, they also would have got shot at by the cops.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

No cop can know all the laws and can be perfect in every case involving judgement of conflicting facts. That is not surprising since we do not hold lawyers to that standard either.

Got any cities to backup your other assertions?

https://www.npr.org/2014/12/15/3709...spite-misunderstanding-of-law?t=1600946691773

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...ally-need-to-know-laws-theyre-enforcing.shtml


and cops have no duty to protect anyone:


https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again

 

[TurkeysGhost]

The grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if that's what the prosecutor wanted.

There's no defense attorney. The prosecutor hand picks the evidence and doesn't have to provide exculpatory evidence that benefits the accused.

Grand juries are often used by protectors to obfuscate the decision not to prosecute by passing the buck. It should be clear though, if the AG wanted to try this case, they easily could have got an indictment.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if that's what the prosecutor wanted.

There's no defense attorney. The prosecutor hand picks the evidence and doesn't have to provide exculpatory evidence that benefits the accused.

Grand juries are often used by protectors to obfuscate the decision not to prosecute by passing the buck. It should be clear though, if the AG wanted to try this case, they easily could have got an indictment.

yes, but it would have been thrown out on appeal.

The AG isn't the relevant here, the Board of Commerce is: if peaceful and not-so-peaceful protests continue to cripple the local economy, the Board Members will pressure the PD to undertake radical reform.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

yes, but it would have been thrown out on appeal.



The AG isn't the relevant here, the Board of Commerce is: if peaceful and not-so-peaceful protests continue to cripple the local economy, the Board Members will pressure the PD to undertake radical reform.

There's no appeal for grand jury indictment. Why bother, the trial is the place to make a defense.

I agree that the police will never reform simply because it is the right thing to do. Hitting the city where it hurts is likely a better strategy. If reform is the price to pay to end unrest that is sustained and intense enough, the powerful may just do it.

 

[johnny karate]

What are you babbling about?

ponderingturtle is talking about the fact that the warrant used to enter Breonna Taylor’s home was premised on a collaborative investigation with a U.S. postal inspector. The existence of this collaboration was refuted by the post office.

How do you not know this?