Ed Indictment in Breonna Taylor case.

pgwenthold said:
No one was indicted for the murder of Breonna because they couldn't actually determine who actually shot her. ....
Who is the murderer and who is the conspirator? Oh, we can't tell. Ok, let them all go free....
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No, have you never heard of ballistics? They know exactly whose bullets went where.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
The word I think I heard on the news today while not paying enough attention is that the guy they fired and charged fired through a window with the binds down. Also they know his bullet(s) went into other apartments. I want to know where all his bullets went and how many went into Breonna.
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"There is no conclusive evidence that any bullets fired from Detective Hankison's weapon struck Miss Taylor."

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/kentu...against-one-officer-in-breonna-taylor-case/#x
 
The Great Zaganza said:
This case technically nullifies the right to defend your home, since any perceived intruder might be a cop.
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I guess the prudent thing would be to ascertain what's going on and not just immediately open fire when the door comes down, given the fact that police are the one group in our society most associated with battering ram door entries. One might want to at least consider that it may be police, if you honestly don't hear them calling out "police! police!" as they did here.

On top of this, this wasn't exactly some 65 year old white couple in rural Vermont in their farm house, winding down a lifetime of near-zero criminal activity, and their door suddenly comes crashing down as intruders come in. This was an apartment rented by a woman who had been involved in drug dealing and at a minimum assisting a drug dealer in movement of drugs and funds, etc. I strongly suspect Kenny, the boyfriend who opened fire, had some familiarity with the concept that police might be interested in Breonna, in Jamarcus, in the apartment. I wouldn't be very surprised at all if he himself had had run ins with the law too.

So I think it's not unreasonable to ask that "could this be the cops?" should have been at least on his radar, enough to not start opening fire instantly.

If you want to say that was reasonable for him to do, then okay... but then it doesn't change the fact that the cops firing back was even more reasonable. Then executed a lawful warrant on a drug connected house and one of them was shot as they entered. Should they not have returned fire?

On one hand we're told that blacks live in constant fear of police attention, but then I'm supposed to entertain the idea that Kenny and Breonna had no concept that it might be the police at the door?

Skeptic Ginger said:
No, have you never heard of ballistics? They know exactly whose bullets went where.
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I believe in the press conference today they said they had not been able to ascertain which officer's gun was responsible for the fatal round that hit her. Though I don't think that was the primary reason for not charging those two officers.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Breona was a bystander.

People in other apartments were bystanders.

Killing Breona: not wrong.

Potentially harming or killing anyone else: wrong.

The law is funny sometimes.

Breona's death is less of an offense than some distress and anxiety the neighbors were placed in.
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They didn't identify themselves and give Breonna time to surrender. She had no drugs and no real drug-use connection to the ex-boyfriend (or friend) that they originally arrested.

I think a bit will depend on how good the reason was for that no-knock warrant.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No, have you never heard of ballistics? They know exactly whose bullets went where.
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The Kentucky State Police crime lab could not determine who fired the fatal shot.

The FBI ballistic lab determined it was Detective Cosgrove who fired the fatal shot.
 
Shadowdweller said:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/justice/...reonna-taylor-officers-charges-sot-nr-vpx.cnn

ETA: Sorry, wrong part of the AG's speech. Searching elsewhere

Here we go:
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/kentu...s-against-one-officer-in-breonna-taylor-case/

Starting around 3:00 until around 4:25 or so.
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First and foremost - the shooting WAS justified. That makes the need to discover who fired the fatal shot moot. Therefore, the fact that they could not identify who fired the shot was not a factor in deciding whether murder charges were laid.

Anybody that thinks someone is justified in shooting at police officers who first knock, identify themselves, and then are forced to batter the door down to legally enter a house under a search warrant, are dreaming in technicolor.
Wildly shooting at police officers who identified themselves as police officers with your girlfriend standing beside you in a hallway is incredibly stupid and dangerous.
What did he think was going to happen? Did he think he was going to kill all the police officers before they returned fire?
He obviously was seriously deluded and/or hated police. He certainly did not care for the safety of his girlfriend.
The only person responsible for the death of Breana Taylor was her idiot police hating boyfriend.
Legally justified shooting. Period.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
They didn't identify themselves and give Breonna time to surrender. She had no drugs and no real drug-use connection to the ex-boyfriend (or friend) that they originally arrested.

I think a bit will depend on how good the reason was for that no-knock warrant.
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The Attorney General says the evidence shows the police identified themselves before entering.
 
Ironic that people keep complaining about the no knock warrant, when if they'd stuck with that and entered in that way, nobody might have ended up shot as the cops might have gotten to Kenny and stopped him from getting his gun.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
I guess the prudent thing would be to ascertain what's going on and not just immediately open fire when the door comes down, given the fact that police are the one group in our society most associated with battering ram door entries. One might want to at least consider that it may be police, if you honestly don't hear them calling out "police! police!" as they did here.

On top of this, this wasn't exactly some 65 year old white couple in rural Vermont in their farm house, winding down a lifetime of near-zero criminal activity, and their door suddenly comes crashing down as intruders come in. This was an apartment rented by a woman who had been involved in drug dealing and at a minimum assisting a drug dealer in movement of drugs and funds, etc. I strongly suspect Kenny, the boyfriend who opened fire, had some familiarity with the concept that police might be interested in Breonna, in Jamarcus, in the apartment. I wouldn't be very surprised at all if he himself had had run ins with the law too.

So I think it's not unreasonable to ask that "could this be the cops?" should have been at least on his radar, enough to not start opening fire instantly.

If you want to say that was reasonable for him to do, then okay... but then it doesn't change the fact that the cops firing back was even more reasonable. Then executed a lawful warrant on a drug connected house and one of them was shot as they entered. Should they not have returned fire?

On one hand we're told that blacks live in constant fear of police attention, but then I'm supposed to entertain the idea that Kenny and Breonna had no concept that it might be the police at the door?



I believe in the press conference today they said they had not been able to ascertain which officer's gun was responsible for the fatal round that hit her. Though I don't think that was the primary reason for not charging those two officers.
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Beg to disagree, big time.

- why would not every future intruder shout "POLICE" the moment he sees movement in the house?
- the fact that you are being associated with criminals doesn't nullify all your constitutional rights.



No, the basic failure here was for the police not to investigate and surveilled more: they should have staked out the home and entered with
Taylor when she came home: going into an place where you do not know who is inside is needless reckless.
Police budgets are all screwed up to favor going hard instead of smart.
And results like in this case will happen again and again until the police will focus on detecting instead of gatecrashing.
 
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rockinkt said:
The Attorney General says the evidence shows the police identified themselves before entering.
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A neighbor told a local news station on camera he heard the police pounding on the door and yelling "police, police."
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Ironic that people keep complaining about the no knock warrant, when if they'd stuck with that and entered in that way, nobody might have ended up shot as the cops might have gotten to Kenny and stopped him from getting his gun.
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What I think is ironic is that a whole lot of famous people are mouthing off and stating someone is guilty of murder without knowing the evidence and without trial while claiming to be wanting "Justice".
Where do they - or anyone else - get the idea that essentially demanding the lynching of someone without factual evidence equals "Justice"?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
No, the basic failure here was for the police not to investigate and surveilled more: they should have staked out the home and entered with
Taylor when she came home: going into an place where you do not know who is inside is needless reckless.
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Taylor's residence was one of five being searched that night. Why would you expect them to sit outside and wait for her, potentially giving her several hours to destroy evidence of criminal activity?
 
rockinkt said:
What I think is ironic is that a whole lot of famous people are mouthing off and stating someone is guilty of murder without knowing the evidence and without trial while claiming to be wanting "Justice".

Where do they - or anyone else - get the idea that essentially demanding the lynching of someone without factual evidence equals "Justice"?
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Breona Taylor got lynched with flimsy, circumstantial evidence that lead to nothing to implicate her.

Today she got "justice."
 
Bogative said:
Taylor's residence was one of five being searched that night. Why would you expect them to sit outside and wait for her, potentially giving her several hours to destroy evidence of criminal activity?
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Because we live in a country where you aren't supposed to get your door kicked in by armed agents of the state while you're asleep based on thin pretext.

There are many different life experiences in the geographic space the U.S. fills.
 
Bogative said:
Taylor's residence was one of five being searched that night. Why would you expect them to sit outside and wait for her, potentially giving her several hours to destroy evidence of criminal activity?
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Because...because...well...police are bad. And racist. Really racist. All of them.
Police should be convicted purely on wild statements in the press by people who are certainly not aware of any facts.
Or, because the eminent legal scholar Lebron James says so.
Isn't that reason enough to ignore reality and to ask police to completely screw up or not pursue investigations involving murder and drug dealing?
The facts regarding this case are in. The police were doing their job, The friends and family of Taylor and their lawyers were lying and exaggerating. Race baiting at it's finest.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
one neighbor.

all the others say they didn't.
but i guess in doubt for the cops ...
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Is that reported somewhere? Wasn't sure if the information dump has happened already or not. I don't see a reason to really dispute the idea, since both the police and the boyfriend say they were knocking. If he couldn't hear them, it wouldn't make a difference in how he would react. Depending on the layout of the apartment I could definitely see that being the case.

In the end I don't think people care at all about the the mitigating factors. That doesn't bode well for the future, but it seems to be the way things are going. Might be for the best. Push **** over to the extreme on the opposite end until they lead back to somewhere more acceptable. The main thing is that the risk involved in this raid was not worth the reward. Too many of these things go sideways. They will say there isn't but there has to be a better way to go about them.
 
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