Conservatives -- What Would Make You Happy?

[Freakshow]

Okay. My mistake.

To stay with the example of Affirmative Action: I took your post to mean that, using the right procedure - going by merit instead of AA criteria (race, isn´t it?) - will yield a result that... how can I put it... that one doesn´t need to be concerned about.

I would expect it to yield a result that is roughly equivalent to the distribution of the qualified applicants.

If you want to go after something in an AA manner, go after increasing the number of qualified applicants from the chosen segments. Improve their schools. Have more outreach from corporations into the areas you want to draw from. I have no problem with that whatsoever.

It is the practice of blatantly considering race in the hiring process that I consider to be wrong. And don't say "It's considered anyway". Believe it or not, not all white men are closet racist misogynists just aching to slap down minorities, but finding ourselves forced into line by laws and regulations. That view is itself racist and sexist.

 

[Chaos]

I would expect it to yield a result that is roughly equivalent to the distribution of the qualified applicants.

If you want to go after something in an AA manner, go after increasing the number of qualified applicants from the chosen segments. Improve their schools. Have more outreach from corporations into the areas you want to draw from. I have no problem with that whatsoever.

It is the practice of blatantly considering race in the hiring process that I consider to be wrong. And don't say "It's considered anyway". Believe it or not, not all white men are closet racist misogynists just aching to slap down minorities, but finding ourselves forced into line by laws and regulations. That view is itself racist and sexist.

*applauds*

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Funny I would defiantly say the same thing about you.

And why is that?

I explained earlier why conservative principles are good for society. Not all change is good. America is what it is today thanks to all parties. If what you are saying is true we could simply outlaw conservatives and conservative ideology. But that wouldn't give you the utopia that you think it would. Also, Conservative ideology doesn't compose the monolithic group that you think it is.

You're obviously misunderstanding me.

Im not saying ALL conservative principles are bad. Im saying that "Total conservativism" is bad. Total conservatism being a complete opposition to any change good or bad.

The fact is I myself have conservative ideas,But also have Liberal Ideas.

For instance..When it comes to the legal age of sexual concent,I support it staying the way it is(or even increasing to a higher age). Meaning I am "Conservative" on this issue.

For instance when it comes to legaliziation of marijuana or other drugs,I am "liberal". I am not conservative because I do not want to conserve the way things are,I want to move onto the future.

With all due respect your ideas are extremely naive and display an extreme ignorance of political and social science. You find anecdotal and extreme examples that you feel fit your world view and think that it is persuasive. Let me assure you that it isn't.

Naive? Ignorance? Extreme examples?

Well with all due respect to YOU,You're full of it.

I quoted the definition in the dictionary to make my point and I can quote plenty of other resources if you want.

I also want to mention that as i've stated in my prior post..There are NUMEROUS types of conservatives all who have varying ideas.
Im simply talking about "Conservatives" which include paleo,neo,social or christian conservativism.
All who support "conservation" of the values of the past.

Having taken Political Science from a professor who was liberal I can assure you that Conservative politics are not viewed in the myopic and propagandized way that you have presented them here by most in the political science community.

Support your claims with sources then.

I'm willing to bet that you couldn't name a single recognized contribution of Conservative ideology to America. That's pretty damn pathetic if true.

I would recommend that you read materials other than left wing propaganda, take a political science class and learn, really learn about Conservative politics and its contribution to the world. Of course if you know you are right and there is no evidence that could possibly change your mind then never mind. Stubborn ignorance is nearly impossible to cure.

Im sorry but recommending me to read more is not an argument.

Either you provide sources that contradict mine as far as the definition of conservative goes or you have no argument.