Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Portland shooter was a real model citizen.

He has a warrant for a DUI with his daughter in the vehicle along with drugs and an illegal firearm.
Reinoehl is believed to still be at-large. He currently has a warrant for his arrest for an unrelated June 8 incident in eastern Oregon where he is charged with driving under the influence, recklessly endangering another, driving while suspended and uninsured and unlawful possession of a gun. Police in Baker County allegedly found him driving while in possession of drugs and an illegal handgun. His 11-year-old daughter was the passenger at the time.
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He was arrested last month for possessing a loaded firearm in a public place.
Michael Forest Reinoehl was previously arrested at an Antifa riot in July and charged with illegally possessing a loaded firearm and other crimes. He was let go and the charges were never pursued.
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He's also ex-military with online rantings about this being a war and fighting for his country. Typical militia stuff.
"We are currently living through a crucial point in Humanities evolution. We truly have an opportunity right now to fix everything. But it will be a fight like no other! It will be a war and like all wars there will be casualties."


"I was in the army and hated it. I did not feel like fighting for them would ever be a good cause. Today's protesters and antifa are my brothers in arms. This is a Cause to fight for This truly is fighting for my country!"
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He also did not turn himself into the police after the shooting. We were all assured earlier in this thread that is a sure sign of being guilty of a crime.
 
I thought we were supposed to dig into the history of the victim and hint at (but never explicitly state) that it's actually a good thing that they're dead. When did the rules change?
 
I Am The Scum said:
I thought we were supposed to dig into the history of the victim and hint at (but never explicitly state) that it's actually a good thing that they're dead. When did the rules change?
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Certain people in this thread didn't bother to look into the history of the victim, but did explicitly state that it's a good thing he's dead.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
what is a 'trained marxist'?
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johnny karate said:
Something you come up with after huffing too many chemtrails.
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EHocking said:
A white BLM organiser.
The black BLM organisers are 'bused marxists'.
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I see that you are responding to a post from several pages ago, but 'trained Marxist' does in fact have a factual basis. It's not something right-wingers made up as a smear.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/

Swain alluded to Black Lives Matter’s three co-founders, who are still featured prominently on the group’s website — Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza and Opal Tometi. Their primary backgrounds are as community organizers, artists and writers. Swain, though, was referring to a newly surfaced interview Cullors did in 2015, where she said:

"We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists. We are superversed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many Black folks."
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So at least 2 out of 3 are self-described "trained Marxists".
 
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I just saw a portion of Pence's conference speech where he actually said "The American people know, we don't have to choose between supporting law enforcement and standing with our African American neighbours."
Aren't they all part of 'The American people'?

This is why Trump and Pence can't end the violence.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
I just saw a portion of Pence's conference speech where he actually said "The American people know, we don't have to choose between supporting law enforcement and standing with our African American neighbours."
Aren't they all part of 'The American people'?

This is why Trump and Pence can't end the violence.
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Exactly. All neighbors matter!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
I just saw a portion of Pence's conference speech where he actually said "The American people know, we don't have to choose between supporting law enforcement and standing with our African American neighbours."
Aren't they all part of 'The American people'?

This is why Trump and Pence can't end the violence.
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Truth told - there are times where, actually, you *do* have to choose one or the other, usually because "law enforcement" has decided (or been ordered to) arbitrarily attack your "African American neighbors" (see: NYPD under Bloomberg), or because "law enforcement" has decided to side with violent white supremacist gangs (see: Portland PD, two days ago).

This doesn't *have* to be the case, clearly, but when the local PD willfully sets itself up as the violent opponents of any group, you have to decide between the two. Hopefully, they decide to do this only for the "violent criminal" group, but all too often they outright ignore that group, and instead concentrate on some racial or ethnic group.
 
I posted this in the other thread, but it seems relevant here as well.

In June, 18-year-old Andres Guardado was shot dead by police.

The cop that shot him was previously named by a cop whistleblower as a "prospect" for a police gang in the department known as "The Executioners". He is described as "chasing ink", because members of the police gang get matching tattoos after killing someone.

The existence of the gang has been known since at least 2018 when the department was sued for excessive force involving tattooed members of the gang. According to the LA Times, this gang is only one of several within the larger LASD.


https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-20/lasd-gangs-who-are-the-compton-executioners

The NYPD union also hands out "challenge coins" that depict cops gunning down black suspects. One depicts a black criminal type casting a deer shaped shadow and the text "let the games begin", referring to the hunting of human beings. Another reads “For those who like hunting there is no hunting like the hunting of man.”

https://gothamist.com/news/nypd-defends-challenge-coins-dubbing-east-flatbush-precinct-fort-jah

The cops really, really like killing. They make no secret of it.
 
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I think looking at the self defense claims related to the two recent shootings are interesting and illuminating but it mostly seems to be about who's side one is on.
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To me the self-defense claims miss the biggest point entirely, which is that there is clear evidence, if not proof, of a police department encouraging and assisting an armed right wing militia group during a volatile situation.

The legality of the killings in a vacuum is an important issue, yes. But not anywhere near the biggest one involved.
 
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To me the self-defense claims miss the biggest point entirely, which is that there is clear evidence, if not proof, of a police department encouraging and assisting an armed right wing militia group during a volatile situation.

The legality of the killings in a vacuum is an important issue, yes. But not anywhere near the biggest one involved.
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True that is more of a problem. I was just focusing on the hypocrisy about self defense.
 
Mumbles said:
Truth told - there are times where, actually, you *do* have to choose one or the other, usually because "law enforcement" has decided (or been ordered to) arbitrarily attack your "African American neighbors" (see: NYPD under Bloomberg), or because "law enforcement" has decided to side with violent white supremacist gangs (see: Portland PD, two days ago).

This doesn't *have* to be the case, clearly, but when the local PD willfully sets itself up as the violent opponents of any group, you have to decide between the two. Hopefully, they decide to do this only for the "violent criminal" group, but all too often they outright ignore that group, and instead concentrate on some racial or ethnic group.
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Sometimes we do have to choose between the police and our African-American neighbor who murdered another man and then shot himself in the head as the police closed in on him (see: Minneapolis PD last week). Riots and violence after the suicide shows the latter was chosen.

Sometimes we have to choose between the police and our African-American neighbor who violated a restraining order placed against him for sexually assaulting a woman by going back to her house, who had a felony warrant for the rape, who ignored lawful orders from police, who brushed off two separate Taser shots, who physically assaulted police officers, who ignored repeated commands to drop a deadly weapon before reaching into his vehicle while guns were drawn on him. I choose the police.
 
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