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Merged Neural Implant / Musk & Zuckerberg - we can trust them, right?

Reasons to get electrodes implanted in your brain: to alleviate medical conditions like seizures, paralysis, and blindness. Reasons not to get electrodes implanted in your brain: so you can argue with Karen on Facebook about how deadly 5G waves can't be blocked by masks.
 
There are definitely a lot of applications for this sort of thing, for instance non-medical control of mental issues such as bi-polarism, so no need to worry about patients not taking meds, sort of a pacemaker for your brain. Also they would be a wonder in the prosthetic industry by being able to provide a direct link between the brain and an artificial mechanical limb. Depending on how advanced they are able to get they could even be useful for allowing direct brain-computer linkages meaning that you could surf the net, answer your phone, enter augmented reality or virtual realities directly, and even control remote systems literally with your mind.

As to what could go wrong, well Sci-Fi has already beaten you to that.....
 
"Oh no! We've been monitoring the first million brain implants...and there's a Borg crisis happening!"
"What?! You mean people are turning into the Borg collective?!"
"No, they're using up all the bandwidth mentally downloading Seven of Nine fanfic!"
"Is that really a crisis, though?"
"Ninety percent of it is about her hooking up with Chakotay!"
"Operate the kill switch immediately!!!!!"
 
I have always been amazed people take Musk seriously

It seems the biggest things people like about him: Tesla and SpaceX, he didn't actually do, right? He is neither an automotive nor rocket engineer, and he didn't do any engineering?
 
Except. of course, that he did.

No he didn't. He is the founder of SpaceX and he raises capital for both companies, but he's not an engineer, he's a money man. He might have given some engineers some money and said "build me a reusable rocket" (incidentally, it's only the first stage that is reusable), but he contributed no engineering expertise.
 
No he didn't. He is the founder of SpaceX and he raises capital for both companies, but he's not an engineer, he's a money man. He might have given some engineers some money and said "build me a reusable rocket", but he contributed no engineering expertise.

Nope. We've been down this road before in another thread. It was wrong then, and its wrong now. I posted evidence of what Musk himself said about how much he himself is involved in the engineering side of what happens at SpaceX. Here, is an excerpt from an interview in which the interviewer asks this question (link to full interview and transcript below).

Interviewer: What do you do when you're at SpaceX and Tesla? What does your time look like there?

Elon: Yes, it's a good question. I think a lot of people think I must spend a lot of time with media or on businessy things. But actually almost all my time, like 80% of it, is spent on engineering and design. Engineering and design, so it's developing next-generation product. That's 80% of it.

Interviewer: You probably don't remember this. A very long time ago, many, many, years, you took me on a tour of SpaceX. And the most impressive thing was that you knew every detail of the rocket and every piece of engineering that went into it. And I don't think many people get that about you.

Elon: Yeah. I think a lot of people think I'm kind of a business person or something, which is fine. Business is fine. But really it's like at SpaceX, Gwynne Shotwell is Chief Operating Officer. She manages legal, finance, sales, and general business activity. And then my time is almost entirely with the engineering team, working on improving the Falcon 9 and our Dragon spacecraft and developing the Mars Colonial architecture. At Tesla, it's working on the Model 3 and, yeah, so I'm in the design studio, take up a half a day a week, dealing with aesthetics and look-and-feel things. And then most of the rest of the week is just going through engineering of the car itself as well as engineering of the factory. Because the biggest epiphany I've had this year is that what really matters is the machine that builds the machine, the factory. And that is at least two orders of magnitude harder than the vehicle itself.


Link to interview and transcript
https://www.ycombinator.com/library/6W-elon-musk-on-how-to-build-the-future


I also posted quotes from people who actually work at SpaceX including current and former specialists and engineers, stating clearly that Musk is definitely involved in the design and engineering side. The idea that he is "just a money guy with some ideas" is a falsehood, its hater dogma, from those tall-poppy pruners obsessed with cutting him down to size.

"Elon is both the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Technology Officer of SpaceX, so of course he does more than just ‘some very technical work’. He is integrally involved in the actual design and engineering of the rocket, and at least touches every other aspect of the business (but I would say the former takes up much more of his mental real estate). Elon is an engineer at heart, and that’s where and how he works best."

- Josh Boehm: former Head of Software Quality Assurance at SpaceX (2012-2015)


"He is very much hands-on. We know that he writes software and does CAD design work - both at SpaceX and at Tesla."

- Anthony Himes:" Flight Hardware Manager at SpaceX (2016-present)


"At Tesla he’s also sometimes found on the manufacturing floor bolting things together on the production line. He says that he enjoys doing that - and it helps him to think.

At SpaceX, he’s a self-taught rocket engine designer."


- Steve Baker: Tesla Manufacturing Team​


...and just for people like you, who question his technical value to his companies

Don’t conflate “design” with “engineering,” and certainly not with “rocket science.” Those are all different things, and your implication that he is not of the value to the company that he believes he is, says more about you than it does about him.

Justin Ausanka: Senior Project Manager at NASA​

Now, if you want to dismiss this then you are going to have to call all of these people liars.

(incidentally, it's only the first stage that is reusable)

... and the two fairing halves, and if they can get Starship to fly, that will be 100% reusable.

Incidentally, dismissing Falcon 9 as "only the first stage is reusable" is misleading, and other piece of hater dogma. In fact, its over 85% of the cost of the launcher. It contains nine of the ten Merlin engines, the four HT titanium grid fins, the landing legs and all the complex flight control systems. The only bits they don't get back are the inter-stage and the second stage and of course, the payload.
 
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Nope. We've been down this road before in another thread. It was wrong then, and its wrong now. I posted evidence of what Musk himself said about how much he himself is involved in the engineering side of what happens at SpaceX. Here, is an excerpt from an interview in which the interviewer asks this question (link to full interview and transcript below).

Interviewer: What do you do when you're at SpaceX and Tesla? What does your time look like there?

Elon: Yes, it's a good question. I think a lot of people think I must spend a lot of time with media or on businessy things. But actually almost all my time, like 80% of it, is spent on engineering and design. Engineering and design, so it's developing next-generation product. That's 80% of it.

Interviewer: You probably don't remember this. A very long time ago, many, many, years, you took me on a tour of SpaceX. And the most impressive thing was that you knew every detail of the rocket and every piece of engineering that went into it. And I don't think many people get that about you.

Elon: Yeah. I think a lot of people think I'm kind of a business person or something, which is fine. Business is fine. But really it's like at SpaceX, Gwynne Shotwell is Chief Operating Officer. She manages legal, finance, sales, and general business activity. And then my time is almost entirely with the engineering team, working on improving the Falcon 9 and our Dragon spacecraft and developing the Mars Colonial architecture. At Tesla, it's working on the Model 3 and, yeah, so I'm in the design studio, take up a half a day a week, dealing with aesthetics and look-and-feel things. And then most of the rest of the week is just going through engineering of the car itself as well as engineering of the factory. Because the biggest epiphany I've had this year is that what really matters is the machine that builds the machine, the factory. And that is at least two orders of magnitude harder than the vehicle itself.


Link to interview and transcript
https://www.ycombinator.com/library/6W-elon-musk-on-how-to-build-the-future


I also posted quotes from people who actually work at SpaceX including current and former specialists and engineers, stating clearly that Musk is definitely involved in the design and engineering side. The idea that he is "just a money guy with some ideas" is a falsehood, its hater dogma, from those tall-poppy pruners obsessed with cutting him down to size.

"Elon is both the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Technology Officer of SpaceX, so of course he does more than just ‘some very technical work’. He is integrally involved in the actual design and engineering of the rocket, and at least touches every other aspect of the business (but I would say the former takes up much more of his mental real estate). Elon is an engineer at heart, and that’s where and how he works best."

- Josh Boehm: former Head of Software Quality Assurance at SpaceX (2012-2015)


"He is very much hands-on. We know that he writes software and does CAD design work - both at SpaceX and at Tesla."

- Anthony Himes:" Flight Hardware Manager at SpaceX (2016-present)


"At Tesla he’s also sometimes found on the manufacturing floor bolting things together on the production line. He says that he enjoys doing that - and it helps him to think.

At SpaceX, he’s a self-taught rocket engine designer."


- Steve Baker: Tesla Manufacturing Team​


...and just for people like you, who question his technical value to his companies

Don’t conflate “design” with “engineering,” and certainly not with “rocket science.” Those are all different things, and your implication that he is not of the value to the company that he believes he is, says more about you than it does about him.

Justin Ausanka: Senior Project Manager at NASA​

Now, if you want to dismiss this then you are going to have to call all of these people liars.



... and the two fairing halves, and if they can get Starship to fly, that will be100% reusable

I will gladly call every single one a liar. Well, more like I don't believe them. I would have believed them a few years ago. But recent behavior by the guy calls into question people who give interviews who would have been associated with him. Sort of a trump effect.
 
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I will gladly call every single one a liar. Well, more like I don't believe them. I would have believed them a few years ago. But recent behavior by the guy calls into question people who give interviews who would have been associated with him. Sort of a trump effect.

Your blind, evidence-free denial is noted.... and dismissed.
 
Your blind, evidence-free denial is noted.... and dismissed.

Questioning the credibility of a crazy person is not evidence free. Is musk a loon? I think there is plenty of evidence for that. How I choose to value that is I don't willingly accept the claims of those who associate with him.

I don't accept the claim that he didn't do those things either. I am in a state of neutrality now.

They make the claim. It is on them to provide evidence. Just as it is on the people who say he didn't do those things.
 
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Questioning the credibility of a crazy person is not evidence free. Is musk a loon? I think there is plenty of evidence for that. How I choose to value that is I don't willingly accept the claims of those who associate with him.

I don't accept the claim that he didn't do those things either. I am in a state of neutrality now.

They make the claim. It is on them to provide evidence. Just as it is on the people who say he didn't do those things.

You seem to be mistaking what the claim is here.

The Claim: That Musk is in no way involved in any of the engineering side of his companies.

Evidence provided to support the claim: None

Evidence provided to refute the claim: Quotes, first hand, from some those who have worked for him, past and present, who say that he is in fact very much involved in the engineering side of his companies.

Claim debunked!

That is how claims and evidence work. In order to reinstate the claim, you need to provide two things:

1. Evidence that the original claim is valid
2. Rebuttal of the evidence that refutes the claim - you have to provide evidence that the quoted people are lying, wrong or mistaken. You personal incredulity is not evidence of anything, at least, not of anything related to the claim.

Good luck with that!
 
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