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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 24

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Armitage72 said:
I've posted this clip before, from the documentary "Right America: Feeling Wronged-Some Voices from the Campaign Trail"

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That's about right. But I almost give him a pass because he's a kid. I see lots and lots of full grown adults who are just as ignorant. 6 months ago in a Harbor Freight store some guy started talking about Socialism and the Oregon governor was so bad. I politely pressed him on this and he was much worse than this kid. They hear bits on some right wing radio station and that's what they repeat.
 
Norman Alexander said:
1) Oh I like that description!



2) Don't insult kabuki. It is art and history and culture. Everything this rolling ****-pit does not have.
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The American use of kabuki as political theater is unique to our country. In Japan, they don’t use that expression. I think it started here in the 50s.
 
Stacyhs said:
Agreed. Uber displays of patriotism have always irked the hell out of me. It's like a guy who has to let everyone know how much money he makes, or brags about how much his car costs, or someone who name drops to impress people.

It also seems to be something the right tends to do as if only they are 'real' Americans. The farther right, the bigger and more prominent the flag.
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I found that a bit irritating during the DNC last week. I'm not watching RNC so far. I'll probably youtube some of the speeches. I can only imagine the stunning display of red, white, and blue that the GOP must be putting on.

I want a new rule to be part of the US flag code. No speaker may use more than two American flags as a backdrop for any speech.
 
CapelDodger said:
It has all the madcap intensity of The Rocky Horror Show, and it's meant to be serious. Utterly bizarre.
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I believe that is what is frequently called low camp.
A campy style is characterized by acting in a histrionic or exaggerated manner. Doing it intentionally (winking at the audience, as it were) is considered high camp. Trying to entertain or speak in a serious manner while ending up with a performance so over-the-top that the style overshadows the message is low camp.
 
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kookbreaker said:
I’m waiting for the animated gif with added Dark Force lightning coming out of her fingers.
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For the fun of it... After the … energetic speeches at RNC, #GuilfoyleChallenge hilariously begins trending

Of particular note, her starring as Rita Repulsa works waaay too well.

angrysoba said:
Yep, I just watched Kimberly Gargoyle, and I completely believe they were recorded and her speech was what they wanted.

This is Donald Trump. He is not looking for subtlely and nuance. He thinks that kind of bluster and over-the-top histrionics looks good.

Really, I think dudalb got Donald Trump and Trump's sychophants right by referring to Trump as Dear Leader. They love this stuff...



I think the Dems have to start splicing together clips of Dear Leader and his little hands, with the ultra-jingoism of the sychophants.
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You mean like... this or this? Admittedly, those are not the Democratic Party, of course.

Stacyhs said:
How does a "socialist utopia"...a place where all needs are met and no one goes hungry or homeless or without medical care...lead to pain and misery?

It just doesn't make sense.
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Simple. They take a totalitarian state that invokes some leftist ideas in their propaganda, call it a socialist utopia, and there you go.

Never will you hear them bring up countries like Denmark, of course, despite that being far more truthfully along the lines of what all those "radical leftists" are pushing for.

Jim_MDP said:
Because over a few hundred people socialism only works on paper.
IMO... it can never work large scale as long as avarice is a fundamental part of many human's behavior. Show me one where bully boys didn't claw their way to the top to line their pockets. Then it gets nasty. [emoji20]
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It wasn't clarified well about what you were actually talking about, incidentally. Sure you're not confusing socialism with communism or totalitarian states that have adopted socialist or communist covers?

Stacyhs said:
Agreed. Uber displays of patriotism have always irked the hell out of me. It's like a guy who has to let everyone know how much money he makes, or brags about how much his car costs, or someone who name drops to impress people.

It also seems to be something the right tends to do as if only they are 'real' Americans. The farther right, the bigger and more prominent the flag.
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I tend to consider "uber displays of patriotism" to be little more than overcompensation and virtue signalling - with the more overt the show, the more likely that the people don't actually understand patriotism very well.

Meadmaker said:
I found that a bit irritating during the DNC last week. I'm not watching RNC so far. I'll probably youtube some of the speeches. I can only imagine the stunning display of red, white, and blue that the GOP must be putting on.

I want a new rule to be part of the US flag code. No speaker may use more than two American flags as a backdrop for any speech.
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Bloomberg, in particular? Yeah, that was waaaay over the top.

Meadmaker said:
I clicked on it fully expecting an over the top GOP bashing caricature of the GOP, but, actually, he got it pretty correct. That's pretty much where the GOP stands on the issues. Well, it's where Trump is, and the GOP is a bunch of lapdogs.
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Mmm. I think that you are a bit mistaken about the relationships there. Trump "leads" (bullies, really) to some extent, but much of what he does is more along the lines of the tactics that he's used from the start at his rallies. He fishs around and seizes upon the things that earn him the most cheers - which tends to be the darker, less acceptable things. It's been said that he outFoxs Fox News, for example, even if Fox also frequently leads him by the nose. Treating him as the master and the GOP as a bunch of lapdogs, while not entirely incorrect, misses the larger picture.

With that said, most of the 13 are little more than updates of what the GOP has stood for for a very long time.

1) Trickle down economics isn't new... and even trickle down is little more than an arbitrary convenient packaging for what most of the rich and ruthless tend to push hard with GOP help.

3) The big polluters have been doing nigh everything they can to downplay climate change for a long time - and the GOP's affinity for pandering to the interests of the rich and powerful (for much more than a century now, at least) means that this has long been a priority of theirs.

4) Hmm... honestly, China's been problematic for quite a fair while. It's been greatly overshadowed by Russia for a long time, but that doesn't mean that it hasn't been a problem. Zero-sum with China, though, is more a Trump Era development, I think.

6) Health Care? That one has been a Republican mainstay since Obama was elected, but it's worth acknowledging that before then, the Republican Party was pushing for something quite close to the ACA.

7) Voting is a privilege? At least since the Southern Strategy.

8) Anti-black racism is not a real problem? From the start, the "Law and Order" reaction to the Civil Rights Movement was all about that, among various related things.

9) End abortion? Most of that is related to the Religious Right - and despite that Roe v Wade involved Republican judges and was largely supported by the Religious Right at the time, goes back to a couple years after that. The Religious Right fiercely opposed school desegregation, Carter threatened their tax exempt status, and shortly after, they suddenly started screaming their heads off about the horrors of abortion as a really obvious "Vote Republican" ploy that's caused lots of pain and sorrow since.

10) Ethics? Yeah, the more that getting and holding power becomes top priority, the more that "ethics" isn't actually about valuing ethics. It's worth remembering that, for a while, the very first thing on the Republican agenda after Trump was elected was... literally to remove oversight, and that's not even remotely an isolated case.

11) Immigration? Since Bush, at least.

12) Law and Order? Yeah, that's nothing more than the same Law and Order dogwhistle since the Civil Rights movement.

So... that's about 10 of the 13 that distinctly predate Trump's grasp on power.
 
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"Nihilistic Trolling" explains it just as well in one bullet point and can fit on a business card.
 
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Ladewig said:
Of course he knows the US owns it.
I mean President Trump surely wouldn’t try to sell something he didn’t own.

[OK, I saw the foolishness of my statement right as I finished typing it out]
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There was an ex-White House staffer who suggested a couple of days ago that Trump seriously asked if he could swap Puerto Rico for Greenland. He didn't want Puerto Rico because it was dirty and full of poor people.
 
Apparently, Tara Reade, who accused Biden of raping her, offered to appear at the RNC. She was not taken up on her offer. Wisely, they decide that was not a box they wanted to open when it comes to Trump.
 
Jim_MDP said:
Because over a few hundred people socialism only works on paper.
IMO... it can never work large scale as long as avarice is a fundamental part of many human's behavior. Show me one where bully boys didn't claw their way to the top to line their pockets. Then it gets nasty. [emoji20]
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There's tens of millions of Scandinavians who disagree with you.

NM already adressed.
 
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