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Trump is not going to accept election results Rough and ugly transition ahead.

I don't give a tin-penny far about the political spectrum, as if it can be measured like a wavelength nor that Sanders and Biden are 5.7 Left Unit in Imperial and 2.3 in Metric or whatever.

I care a lot about reality versus unreality.

Base acceptance of the concept of facts and reality isn't, or at least should be, political in nature.
 
CapelDodger said:
Hitler really took power with the Enabling Act of 1933, which followed the Reichstag Fire. That cut out the Reichstag from legislation and oversight and provided total executive power to the Chancellor, hereinafter referred to as Der Fuhrer. Thus died a very fragile democracy, born from defeat.

Trump's trying to make Portland his Reichstag Fire, which is sad, and the US is hardly a fragile democracy.
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I understand what you're saying. And i don't disagree that Hitler short-circuited the process. But two elections really made that possible. There were multiple events that paved the way of Hitler's rise. The NAZI's weren't the only bad apples. There was the Communist party that were taking marching orders from Russia and they refused to team up with the Socialists. There was the Catholic Church which threw their weight behind Hitler in exchange for getting rights to educate Germany's children. I've read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich a few times as well as others. Germany in the 20s was a pretty fractured and ugly place.

We could talk about the Third Reich and the Weimar Republic for a while, but it is really a diversion.
 
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Lurch said:
Timothy McVeigh probably took out more people than all the crazy lefties put together. This BS about the "far far left" scaring the middle 3/5 is only because the Right is the Party of Fear.
Fear of the brown caravans.
Fear of the uppity Blacks.
Fear of the poor setting up in low income housing in the suburbs.
Fear of a little tax to provide what all other developed countries do for their citizens.
Fear of yer GUNZ being taken.
Fear of migrant workers stealing jobs.
Fear of any kind of caring for the disadvantaged via scary "socialism."
Fear of adoption of clean energy.

Fear, fear, fear! All the ******* time! It makes me as a Canadian so goddamned mad to see this kind of interminable shrieking about the "other" the way herr Hitler did. Idiots!
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Absolutely correct! All you have to do is listen to Trump and it's all about fear mongering. Be afraid. Be very afraid! But the problem is that it's working with so many people and the far left isn't helping to allay those fears. That Trump could even BE the POTUS and has a damned good chance of being re-elected demonstrates just how successfully the fear tactics have worked.
 
Lurch said:
Today's historically ignorant chowder head does not realize to just what degree rightward the US has lurched politically In relatively recent decades.
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Which shows that Americans are very light on history.

You only need to go back to Reagan, who we all thought right of Genghis Khan, but, in hindsight, looks like a Commie pinko.
 
383LQ4SS said:
Hard to believe this website still calls itself a skeptics forum with replies like this. I dont even know where to begin with this entire thread. If you guys want to see a reason why some Republicans voted the way they did all you need to do is look in the mirror. Trumps hardcore base is made up of several factions. Some are racist, xenophobic and all the other bad things attributed. I actually think that is not as large a portion as some make it out to be but it is substantial. But many are simply motivated not by Trump, but by their assessment of the far far left. It seems to me the far left are as nutty and as violent as any of the bad actors on the right. And I would dare to say the far far left is more active in the destruction of lives and property when they dont get their way. This is scaring people from center left all the way through the far right. Trump is a buffoon and hopefully he is voted out by the process. But to lay his election win and subsequent competitiveness at the feet of blood thirsty Republicans who are racist, homophobic, anti science and generally unethical across the board is to continue to isolate the left as a viable alternative to many.

Many in the center 3/5 are looking at both sides trying to determine what would be the best choice. Obviously you see all the issues with Trump, and there are many. But the fact that Trump is still in play is not the sole fault of Republicans but more the fact that the far far left is scaring a large portion of the US voting population. Your failure to even discuss this is very telling IMO. The center 3/5 of the population of the US need to find a way to assert more control over the narrative and have substantive discussion regarding the merits of their views and proposed policies. If the very loud and obnoxious ends of the political spectrum continue to drive us...we are doomed.
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“Hard to believe this website still calls itself a skeptic’s forum” followed by a tsunami of dubious and unsubstantiated claims.

*chef’s kiss*

Perfect.
 
383LQ4SS said:
Hard to believe this website still calls itself a skeptics forum with replies like this. I dont even know where to begin with this entire thread. If you guys want to see a reason why some Republicans voted the way they did all you need to do is look in the mirror. Trumps hardcore base is made up of several factions. Some are racist, xenophobic and all the other bad things attributed. I actually think that is not as large a portion as some make it out to be but it is substantial. But many are simply motivated not by Trump, but by their assessment of the far far left. It seems to me the far left are as nutty and as violent as any of the bad actors on the right. And I would dare to say the far far left is more active in the destruction of lives and property when they dont get their way. This is scaring people from center left all the way through the far right. Trump is a buffoon and hopefully he is voted out by the process. But to lay his election win and subsequent competitiveness at the feet of blood thirsty Republicans who are racist, homophobic, anti science and generally unethical across the board is to continue to isolate the left as a viable alternative to many.

Many in the center 3/5 are looking at both sides trying to determine what would be the best choice. Obviously you see all the issues with Trump, and there are many. But the fact that Trump is still in play is not the sole fault of Republicans but more the fact that the far far left is scaring a large portion of the US voting population. Your failure to even discuss this is very telling IMO. The center 3/5 of the population of the US need to find a way to assert more control over the narrative and have substantive discussion regarding the merits of their views and proposed policies. If the very loud and obnoxious ends of the political spectrum continue to drive us...we are doomed.
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Another "both sides are equally baad" bs. :rolleyes:
 
johnny karate said:
“Hard to believe this website still calls itself a skeptic’s forum” followed by a tsunami of dubious and unsubstantiated claims.

*chef’s kiss*

Perfect.
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I've never seen an appeal to skepticism that wasn't followed by pure hogwash.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
I've never seen an appeal to skepticism that wasn't followed by pure hogwash.
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I'm going to start using it for everything, no matter the context.

Some jerk cuts me off in traffic, I'm going scream "I thought were you were a skeptic!" at him.

At a restaurant? "You call this Chablis a dry white that pairs well with oysters? Well I thought this was a place for skeptics!"

In bed? "Oh so you're saying I can't bring in the jumper cables and bowl of whipped cream? I thought this was a place for skeptics!"
 
JoeMorgue said:
I'm going to start using it for everything, no matter the context.

Some jerk cuts me off in traffic, I'm going scream "I thought were you were a skeptic!" at him.

At a restaurant? "You call this Chablis a dry white that pairs well with oysters? Well I thought this was a place for skeptics!"

In bed? "Oh so you're saying I can't bring in the jumper cables and bowl of whipped cream? I thought this was a place for skeptics!"
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I laughed a solid 5 minutes at that. Thank you for being on this forum! :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
383LQ4SS said:
Hard to believe this website still calls itself a skeptics forum with replies like this. I dont even know where to begin with this entire thread. If you guys want to see a reason why some Republicans voted the way they did all you need to do is look in the mirror. Trumps hardcore base is made up of several factions. Some are racist, xenophobic and all the other bad things attributed. I actually think that is not as large a portion as some make it out to be but it is substantial. But many are simply motivated not by Trump, but by their assessment of the far far left. It seems to me the far left are as nutty and as violent as any of the bad actors on the right.
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Thank you for your post. I think I could understand it better if you could describe what the folks in the near left believe.

I am looking forward to your answer. I have asked this question in other forums and have not received any answers.
 
I still contend there is nothing Trump or anyone in his administration can do to block, postpone, or otherwise interfere with the inauguration should there by a party change with this November's election.

His administration can, however, do much to make the transition as difficult as possible, all the way to the point of simply not cooperating with the incoming president's transition team, potentially even denying them access to buildings and offices during the transition period. This wouldn't even be inconsistent with Trump's own transition, where his "transition team" such as it was was a skeleton crew that reportedly openly eschewed offers of contact and consultation by the outgoing administration. I remember reading one apocryphal account from the early days of the Trump administration where the first few meetings of his advisors in the White House proper were held in dark conference rooms because incoming staffers, having skipped transition meetings, had never learned where the lighting control panels were.

If Biden wins the nomination in November, it would probably best serve him to hire some former Obama staffers as his transition consultants, the better to avoid having to rely on Trump's staffers and risk getting incomplete or incorrect information from them.
 
blutoski said:
Most conservatives I know remind me at every opportunity that Hitler was a Socialist.
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They are morons. Hitler wasn't a socialist. Not even close. The NAZI party only gave lip service to socialism. It was no so different from the GOP today. It was basically the Hitler party, just as today's GOP is the Trump party.
 
Hitler could be called a national collectivist, which I think Trump is too in many respects. There's no socialism going on. It's the "**** off, we're full" ideology.
 
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