Trump is not going to accept election results Rough and ugly transition ahead.

[Venom]

You're the one who said that you're on one side or the either, you called one side racist, warmongering scum, therefore by your own logic you are clearly on the other side. Hence, leftist.

Voting doesn't necessarily mean support in other respects.

A large majority of Americans polled last year said they had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders. But you wouldn't know that from election season.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Either wanted the Republicans wanted Trump to be their figurehead or they were okay with Trump being their figurehead.

Either they wanted a racist screaming tyrannical troll in the highest elected position in the land or they were okay with a racist screaming tyrannical troll in the highest elected position in the land.

Either they wanted a President who bragged about sexually assaulting women, openly and mocked a disabled man on live TV or they are okay with it.

And ya know at this point, at this level the hair between "want" and "are okay with" is one that I won't tolerate being split.

And hell it's not like they didn't have other options. A whole range of Republicans from middle of the road old country moderate conservatives to even other fringe nutcases and ever strength and flavor in between were available to them.

They picked Trump, and everything Trump stands for.

Maybe they did it because he's the dream candidate they've always wanted. Maybe the secretly all hate him but think he's worth it to get them into power. Either way the sin is the same.

 

[acbytesla]

Yes, as a Vox article pointed out, it wasn't so much Trump as his followers who seemed to come out of nowhere. Turns out a lot of Americans were way more racist, bigoted, misogynist, violence-loving, and authoritarian than expected. Trump only gave them 'permission' to finally express their views out loud.

Should Biden win, which I hope for America's sake he does, there will be another Trump along before long, now that they know that such a far-right candidate is perfectly electable.

Maybe, maybe not. Racism has not only been a major problem with the Republican party but with America for hundreds of years. But progress has been made, but not nearly enough. But progress nonetheless. Trump was a reactionary result of that progress. I remain hopeful that if the nation as a whole rejects Trump in November that it will be another kick in the teeth to that racism

 

[acbytesla]

I think this misreads the 2016 election. Hitler was chosen by those in power, Trump was chosen by the masses. Hitler didn't win primaries he was handed power from those in control, Trump was the chosen of the party base.

I see no reason to question the democratic will of republican voters in selecting Trump as their chosen candidate.

That's not exactly true. Hitler was elected in 1932.

 

[thaiboxerken]

You're the one who said that you're on one side or the either, you called one side racist, warmongering scum, therefore by your own logic you are clearly on the other side. Hence, leftist.

Describing reality does not make him leftist.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

I think this misreads the 2016 election. Hitler was chosen by those in power, Trump was chosen by the masses. Hitler didn't win primaries he was handed power from those in control, Trump was the chosen of the party base.

I see no reason to question the democratic will of republican voters in selecting Trump as their chosen candidate.

I wasn't really talking about how he came to power, I was comparing the elite's attitude towards him. But fair enough.

 

[383LQ4SS]

Either wanted the Republicans wanted Trump to be their figurehead or they were okay with Trump being their figurehead.

Maybe they did it because he's the dream candidate they've always wanted. Maybe the secretly all hate him but think he's worth it to get them into power. Either way the sin is the same.

Hard to believe this website still calls itself a skeptics forum with replies like this. I dont even know where to begin with this entire thread. If you guys want to see a reason why some Republicans voted the way they did all you need to do is look in the mirror. Trumps hardcore base is made up of several factions. Some are racist, xenophobic and all the other bad things attributed. I actually think that is not as large a portion as some make it out to be but it is substantial. But many are simply motivated not by Trump, but by their assessment of the far far left. It seems to me the far left are as nutty and as violent as any of the bad actors on the right. And I would dare to say the far far left is more active in the destruction of lives and property when they dont get their way. This is scaring people from center left all the way through the far right. Trump is a buffoon and hopefully he is voted out by the process. But to lay his election win and subsequent competitiveness at the feet of blood thirsty Republicans who are racist, homophobic, anti science and generally unethical across the board is to continue to isolate the left as a viable alternative to many.

Many in the center 3/5 are looking at both sides trying to determine what would be the best choice. Obviously you see all the issues with Trump, and there are many. But the fact that Trump is still in play is not the sole fault of Republicans but more the fact that the far far left is scaring a large portion of the US voting population. Your failure to even discuss this is very telling IMO. The center 3/5 of the population of the US need to find a way to assert more control over the narrative and have substantive discussion regarding the merits of their views and proposed policies. If the very loud and obnoxious ends of the political spectrum continue to drive us...we are doomed.

 

[acbytesla]

Hard to believe this website still calls itself a skeptics forum with replies like this. I dont even know where to begin with this entire thread. If you guys want to see a reason why some Republicans voted the way they did all you need to do is look in the mirror. Trumps hardcore base is made up of several factions. Some are racist, xenophobic and all the other bad things attributed. I actually think that is not as large a portion as some make it out to be but it is substantial. But many are simply motivated not by Trump, but by their assessment of the far far left. It seems to me the far left are as nutty and as violent as any of the bad actors on the right. And I would dare to say the far far left is more active in the destruction of lives and property when they dont get their way. This is scaring people from center left all the way through the far right. Trump is a buffoon and hopefully he is voted out by the process. But to lay his election win and subsequent competitiveness at the feet of blood thirsty Republicans who are racist, homophobic, anti science and generally unethical across the board is to continue to isolate the left as a viable alternative to many.

Many in the center 3/5 are looking at both sides trying to determine what would be the best choice. Obviously you see all the issues with Trump, and there are many. But the fact that Trump is still in play is not the sole fault of Republicans but more the fact that the far far left is scaring a large portion of the US voting population. Your failure to even discuss this is very telling IMO. The center 3/5 of the population of the US need to find a way to assert more control over the narrative and have substantive discussion regarding the merits of their views and proposed policies. If the very loud and obnoxious ends of the political spectrum continue to drive us...we are doomed.

What total nonsense. Provide ACTUAL specifics. Who exactly is nutty and violent? And how are you attributing those individuals to Democrats? This is more false equivalency. I don't agree with everything from the far left. And neither does the Democratic Party.

And Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are both centrists. So WTF are you talking about?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Hard to believe this website still calls itself a skeptics forum with replies like this. I dont even know where to begin with this entire thread. If you guys want to see a reason why some Republicans voted the way they did all you need to do is look in the mirror. Trumps hardcore base is made up of several factions. Some are racist, xenophobic and all the other bad things attributed. I actually think that is not as large a portion as some make it out to be but it is substantial. But many are simply motivated not by Trump, but by their assessment of the far far left. It seems to me the far left are as nutty and as violent as any of the bad actors on the right. And I would dare to say the far far left is more active in the destruction of lives and property when they dont get their way. This is scaring people from center left all the way through the far right. Trump is a buffoon and hopefully he is voted out by the process. But to lay his election win and subsequent competitiveness at the feet of blood thirsty Republicans who are racist, homophobic, anti science and generally unethical across the board is to continue to isolate the left as a viable alternative to many.

Many in the center 3/5 are looking at both sides trying to determine what would be the best choice. Obviously you see all the issues with Trump, and there are many. But the fact that Trump is still in play is not the sole fault of Republicans but more the fact that the far far left is scaring a large portion of the US voting population. Your failure to even discuss this is very telling IMO. The center 3/5 of the population of the US need to find a way to assert more control over the narrative and have substantive discussion regarding the merits of their views and proposed policies. If the very loud and obnoxious ends of the political spectrum continue to drive us...we are doomed.

Opening with the backhanded "But I thought this was a place for skeptics" nonsense and then 2 paragraphs of "You brought Trump on yourself" apologetics.

 

[varwoche]

<snip empty bluster>
It seems to me the far left are as nutty and as violent as any of the bad actors on the right. And I would dare to say the far far left is more active in the destruction of lives and property when they dont get their way.

Here's why this is counter-factual rubbish.

Not counting fascists, you know who antifa loathes above all others? Liberals/Democrats.

Conversely, the overwhelming majority (entirety?) of the upper echelon Dem mainstream -- Senators, Reps, candidates for POTUS, former POTUS'es -- have no use for antifa. They don't support antifa. They don't coddle antifa. They don't re-tweet antifa.

Nor does the Dem mainstream threaten violence against citizens behaving lawfully. Nor do they threaten whistleblowers with death. Nor do they urge cops to rough up detainees. Nor do they urge followers to punch peaceful protesters. Nor do they punch reporters. Nor do they applaud when reporters are punched.

Nor has a Dem POTUS unleashed an attack on peaceful protesters in Layfayette Square, or anywhere else for that matter.

Last but not least, I urge you to examine FBI statistics about domestic political terrorism.

In summary (1) violence on the right is far more extreme and (2) while violent extremists exist on both fringes, the right wing fringe is running the country.

What a sorry load of pseudo-skeptical nonsense.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

That's not exactly true. Hitler was elected in 1932.

Appointed, by the Weimar Republic.

 

[Stacyhs]

Hard to believe this website still calls itself a skeptics forum with replies like this. I dont even know where to begin with this entire thread. If you guys want to see a reason why some Republicans voted the way they did all you need to do is look in the mirror. Trumps hardcore base is made up of several factions. Some are racist, xenophobic and all the other bad things attributed. I actually think that is not as large a portion as some make it out to be but it is substantial. But many are simply motivated not by Trump, but by their assessment of the far far left. It seems to me the far left are as nutty and as violent as any of the bad actors on the right. And I would dare to say the far far left is more active in the destruction of lives and property when they dont get their way. This is scaring people from center left all the way through the far right. Trump is a buffoon and hopefully he is voted out by the process. But to lay his election win and subsequent competitiveness at the feet of blood thirsty Republicans who are racist, homophobic, anti science and generally unethical across the board is to continue to isolate the left as a viable alternative to many.

Many in the center 3/5 are looking at both sides trying to determine what would be the best choice. Obviously you see all the issues with Trump, and there are many. But the fact that Trump is still in play is not the sole fault of Republicans but more the fact that the far far left is scaring a large portion of the US voting population. Your failure to even discuss this is very telling IMO. The center 3/5 of the population of the US need to find a way to assert more control over the narrative and have substantive discussion regarding the merits of their views and proposed policies. If the very loud and obnoxious ends of the political spectrum continue to drive us...we are doomed.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Extremism is bad no matter which end of the spectrum it's on, right or left. The racist, bigoted, authoritarian, religious zealots scare me more than the far left, but the far left is not my cup of tea either. Far from it. It just seems like all we hear from anymore are these loud mouthed extremists.

ETA: To be clear, I do NOT consider Biden or Harris to be extremists.

 

[dudalb]

That's not exactly true. Hitler was elected in 1932.

You need to bone up on your Third Reich history.
Hitler was not elected, but came to power through a backdoor shady political deal, set up a number of conservative German Politicans who thought they could "control him"
And it was in 1933 not 1932.

 

[acbytesla]

Appointed, by the Weimar Republic.

It's not that simple. In 1932, the NAZI party received 37 percent of the vote, but it still wasn't a majority. But the respective minority parties could not form a coalition government. Eventually Hindenburg who was the Chancellor and in his 80s and part of another minority party had enough and agreed to form a government with Hitler and the NAZI party. This is how Hitler took power.

 

[acbytesla]

You need to bone up on your Third Reich history.
Hitler was not elected, but came to power through a backdoor shady political deal, set up a number of conservative German Politicans who thought they could "control him"
And it was in 1933 not 1932.

See above. I know how Hitler took power. You're right.Hitler took power though political wrangling. But the NAZI party which Hitler was the head of received more votes than any other party. He would not have been able to make a deal with Hindenburg if he had not controlled a plurality of seats in the Reichstag.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

t seems to me the far left are as nutty and as violent as any of the bad actors on the right. And I would dare to say the far far left is more active in the destruction of lives and property when they dont get their way.

Many in the center 3/5 are looking at both sides trying to determine what would be the best choice. Obviously you see all the issues with Trump, and there are many. But the fact that Trump is still in play is not the sole fault of Republicans but more the fact that the far far left is scaring a large portion of the US voting population.

Citation needed.

Also define "far left". How many people and groups do you lump into that basket?

 

[CapelDodger]

It's not that simple. In 1932, the NAZI party received 37 percent of the vote, but it still wasn't a majority. But the respective minority parties could not form a coalition government. Eventually Hindenburg who was the Chancellor and in his 80s and part of another minority party had enough and agreed to form a government with Hitler and the NAZI party. This is how Hitler took power.

Hitler really took power with the Enabling Act of 1933, which followed the Reichstag Fire. That cut out the Reichstag from legislation and oversight and provided total executive power to the Chancellor, hereinafter referred to as Der Fuhrer. Thus died a very fragile democracy, born from defeat.

Trump's trying to make Portland his Reichstag Fire, which is sad, and the US is hardly a fragile democracy.

 

[Lurch]

Hard to believe this website still calls itself a skeptics forum with replies like this. I dont even know where to begin with this entire thread. If you guys want to see a reason why some Republicans voted the way they did all you need to do is look in the mirror. Trumps hardcore base is made up of several factions. Some are racist, xenophobic and all the other bad things attributed. I actually think that is not as large a portion as some make it out to be but it is substantial. But many are simply motivated not by Trump, but by their assessment of the far far left. It seems to me the far left are as nutty and as violent as any of the bad actors on the right. And I would dare to say the far far left is more active in the destruction of lives and property when they dont get their way. This is scaring people from center left all the way through the far right. Trump is a buffoon and hopefully he is voted out by the process. But to lay his election win and subsequent competitiveness at the feet of blood thirsty Republicans who are racist, homophobic, anti science and generally unethical across the board is to continue to isolate the left as a viable alternative to many.

Many in the center 3/5 are looking at both sides trying to determine what would be the best choice. Obviously you see all the issues with Trump, and there are many. But the fact that Trump is still in play is not the sole fault of Republicans but more the fact that the far far left is scaring a large portion of the US voting population. Your failure to even discuss this is very telling IMO. The center 3/5 of the population of the US need to find a way to assert more control over the narrative and have substantive discussion regarding the merits of their views and proposed policies. If the very loud and obnoxious ends of the political spectrum continue to drive us...we are doomed.

Timothy McVeigh probably took out more people than all the crazy lefties put together. This BS about the "far far left" scaring the middle 3/5 is only because the Right is the Party of Fear.

Fear of the brown caravans.
Fear of the uppity Blacks.
Fear of the poor setting up in low income housing in the suburbs.
Fear of a little tax to provide what all other developed countries do for their citizens.
Fear of yer GUNZ being taken.
Fear of migrant workers stealing jobs.
Fear of any kind of caring for the disadvantaged via scary "socialism."
Fear of adoption of clean energy.

Fear, fear, fear! All the ******* time! It makes me as a Canadian so goddamned mad to see this kind of interminable shrieking about the "other" the way herr Hitler did. Idiots!

 

[Bob001]

....
But many are simply motivated not by Trump, but by their assessment of the far far left. It seems to me the far left are as nutty and as violent as any of the bad actors on the right. And I would dare to say the far far left is more active in the destruction of lives and property when they dont get their way. This is scaring people from center left all the way through the far right.
....

The problem is that the Trumpers have a weird, false concept of "far, far left." Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are basically what used to be called moderate corporatist Republicans. Self-described "socialist" Bernie Sanders is really a Hubert Humphrey Democrat. That notorious left-wing extremist Richard Nixon re-established relations with China and tried to get a universal health insurance plan through Congress, and when he left office the top income tax rate was 70%. State colleges used to be cheap enough for everybody. The NRA used to support gun control laws. Etc., etc.

This far-left boogeyman threat probably goes back to the 1950s and the Commie scares. But there is no substantial left-wing in American politics, at least in comparison with what that would look like anywhere else in the industrial world, and it's just dishonest to pretend that crazy fascist Trump is saving America from "the evil left."

 

[Lurch]

Today's historically ignorant chowder head does not realize to just what degree rightward the US has lurched politically In relatively recent decades.