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Trump is not going to accept election results Rough and ugly transition ahead.

acbytesla said:
No, it's undemocratic.
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We're going to have to have a discussion about what "democracy" means to a lot of posters here, because I guarantee that you don't know what the word means. It's about the power to the masses, and that's it. It's not more democratic when it's more 1-person-1-vote, or when it expands voting rights, if in fact if there's voting at all. Voting isn't even required for democracy to function.

What you're saying is that it's not the kind of democracy you want. That's fine, and I agree, but it's still democratic.
 
Belz... said:
We're going to have to have a discussion about what "democracy" means to a lot of posters here, because I guarantee that you don't know what the word means. It's about the power to the masses, and that's it. It's not more democratic when it's more 1-person-1-vote, or when it expands voting rights, if in fact if there's voting at all. Voting isn't even required for democracy to function.

What you're saying is that it's not the kind of democracy you want. That's fine, and I agree, but it's still democratic.
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No, it's undemocratic. You're talking about empowering states rather than the demos/people.

Trebuchet said:
And anyway, it's not a democracy, it's a Republic.
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Yeah, remember that famous book de Tocqueville wrote, Repbulicanism in America?
 
Doesn't matter what he wants. There is explicit legislation that if he loses the vote (or it's undecided) on (Jan 20th?) he's out of the door, with a Secret Service twist to the arm if need be. At that point they are serving the incumbent President, not him.
 
Mikemcc said:
Doesn't matter what he wants. There is explicit legislation that if he loses the vote (or it's undecided) on (Jan 20th?) he's out of the door, with a Secret Service twist to the arm if need be. At that point they are serving the incumbent President, not him.
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And yet he's very good at somehow doing things he can't do, especially when his friends in government do nothing to stop him.
 
shuttlt said:
Trump exaggerates, misremembers, and lies about trivial stuff.... and probably big stuff too. Then he'll tell the truth about something big that you wouldn't expect. Why was his admission about the reason for arms deals to Saudi Arabia surprising? Because we expect politicians to lie to try to deceive us about really important issues.

Anybody who watches politicians and thinks they have any sort of profound concern for the conveying a fair and balanced understanding of the world is a fool. Trump's quote about "very fine people" is useful to Democrats. They aren't going to help people find the wider context that he made it clear a few seconds later that he wasn't talking about neo-nazis. They tell politicians lies. Just like when Kamala painted Joe as some kind of racist/racist enabler in the debate, and now brushes that off as something she said because it was a debate. Some stupid lie Trump has told about the size of a crowd isn't going to offend me much in comparison.

The difference between us is that you think your guy is honest. I say you can't trust any of them.
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Wow. I've seen attempts at minimizing what Trump does but that takes the prize. The man is a pathological liar. He lies to an extent, to use a phrase he likes to use often, "the likes of which we've never seen before".
 
JoeMorgue said:
I think the public passion for "Going after Trump" after he's out of office is a much bigger unknown variable then we're assuming.


Trump's base of supporters obviously won't want it, and I don't know how many of the other ~60% of Americans are going to really care after he's out of office and can no longer do (direct) damage.

That doesn't mean we can't, won't, or shouldn't do it, just a factor.
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New York County DA, Cyrus Vance, and the New York AG, Letitia James appear to have other ideas about that. They seem determined to go after Trump, POTUS or not. And while they're at it they'll have Rudy as well if they can.

A White House POTUS switcheroo with Pence dishing out pardons will have no impact in the Big Apple.
 
smartcooky said:
New York County DA, Cyrus Vance, and the New York AG, Letitia James appear to have other ideas about that. They seem determined to go after Trump, POTUS or not. And while they're at it they'll have Rudy as well if they can.

A White House POTUS switcheroo with Pence dishing out pardons will have no impact in the Big Apple.
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I think the state laws scares Trump a lot more.
 
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