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Sweden's liberal pandemic strategy questioned as Stockholm death toll mounts

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An idea, could you include Czech numbers too?


I could, but since this is a thread about Sweden, which was then broadened to include the Nordic countries, I am not sure that it's a good idea. I will delete New Zealand when they get their number of active cases down to zero again. For a long time, their numbers changed as little as Greenland's: Total cases 14; total recovered 14; total deaths 0; active cases 0. :)

Czechia is not uninteresting in the context of the discussion about Sweden, being approximately the same size as Sweden, but with only 399 deaths and fewer new cases, but go to the Worldometers site.
 
I'm concerned about what's happening in Scotland. The children went back to school last week and it has turned out that some of them were gathering together in house parties just before this and these have sparked off clusters. Now of course there's the concern that they'll take it into school with them. Masks are still not mandatory in schools, I suspect something will have to happen before they will be made mandatory.

The Aberdeen cluster, or should I say outbreak, I can hardly call it a cluster when there are 207 linked cases and 380 cases in total in the region, is slowly being brought under control. It caused the daily total to peak at 66 cases 12 days after the alleged superspreading event and just a couple of days after the lockdown was introduced, although there was a day with 65 cases about a week later. At least it hasn't shot up exponentially and there is clear evidence of a downward trend. Only 13 cases in the region today. The mood music says the lockdown will continue for another week when it's reviewed on Wednesday.

However infections are substantially up all across the country, although in many areas from a very low base. We had three cases within a week in my region last week, which may not sound much but we went five weeks without any cases at all over July. The same pattern can be seen in most regions. The modellers have come up with something called "exceedance" to show whether a region is having significantly more cases than would be expected from their model. I don't really understand their colour coding but of course Aberdeenshire is lit up like a Christmas tree. Their model is still predicting only 10 to 25 new cases per day by last Friday and all I can say is, in your dreams. I think the modelling was heavily predicated on deaths but now very few people are dying (younger people becoming infected, mainly) it's becoming skewed. From being over-pessimistic it's looking over-optimistic. (We actually had 65 new cases on Friday!)

So there's a general rise in the background level of sporadic cases, which was down as low as 7 cases per day in early July. There have also been more clusters, though nothing as spectacular as in Aberdeen. Something going on in north-east Glasgow apparently, although they seem to have a lid on that, also a nasty little outbreak in Orkney, which had been clear for over 50 days, due to someone on the crew of a fishing boat getting the virus in Aberdeen, infecting some of his mates on board, and the boat ending up in Orkney where nobody was really distancing and it spread to the outer islands. (Rumours of wicker men being prepared, and people battening down very quickly there.)

And there's a food processing plant in Perthshire that worked without incident all through the lockdown that has had to close because of a cluster. One employee caught the virus at home (linked to the Aberdeen cluster I wonder) and then a handful more in the factory got it. Nine cases so far in that cluster.

So here we are, supposed to have been aiming for no more than 5.5 new cases per day on average, and having made it to 7.1, now sitting on an average of 47.4. That is 8.7 cases per day per million population, which isn't actually dreadful on a scale of Germany to Spain, but it's still not where I'd like to see it. I just hope that number continues to fall as they get these clusters cleared up, but with the schools open and the pubs open and people getting careless and throwing house parties, I think it will be a miracle if we avoid further clusters.
 
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Sweden Has had only 1 death during the past week but don’t let me interrupt
Do you have a link to that data? Or are you just pulling it out of your ...? I have seen the same claim made once before today, but like you, he provided no link to a source.
ETA: Oh, I see it now! The next time you see the words, "This area will be revised," you probably shouldn't consider the numbers presented in that box very reliable!





Considering that Sweden still doesn't really do TeTrIs, it is not surprising that it doesn't get any better than this.

Monday:
Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Aug. 17, 2020)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 573 (5,787) 751* 31 *since Friday according to SVT.se + Fyra nya dödsfall med bekräftad covid-19 har inrapporterats
sedan i fredags.
Denmark: 107 (621) 123 1 According to TV2.dk
Finland: 60 (334) 21 0
Norway: 48 (261*) 30 1
Iceland: 29 (10) 3 1
Iceland has 116 active cases, Faroe Islands 144, New Zealand 78.
The Faroe Islands have 690 in quarantine, no tests awaiting results, 2 hospitalizations. They seem to be on top of it again.

This is what I get from the ECDC website for deaths reported in Sweden this month:

01-Aug 4
02-Aug 0
03-Aug 0
04-Aug 1
05-Aug 3
06-Aug 13
07-Aug 3
08-Aug 0
09-Aug 0
10-Aug 0
11-Aug 3
12-Aug 4
13-Aug 4
14-Aug 2
15-Aug 7

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publi...graphic-distribution-covid-19-cases-worldwide
 
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I'm concerned about what's happening in Scotland. The children went back to school last week and it has turned out that some of them were gathering together in house parties just before this and these have sparked off clusters. Now of course there's the concern that they'll take it into school with them. Masks are still not mandatory in schools, I suspect something will have to happen before they will be made mandatory.

This is happening everywhere, but it is only discovered in the countries where they test properly, of course. Tegnell seems to think that young people at parties do spread the virus, but schools don't contribute significantly to the spread. As if the two things weren't connected.
The new clusters here often seem to be related to star-of-the-school-year parties.


Something going on in north-east Glasgow apparently, although they seem to have a lid on that, also a nasty little outbreak in Orkney, which had been clear for over 50 days, due to someone on the crew of a fishing boat getting the virus in Aberdeen, infecting some of his mates on board, and the boat ending up in Orkney where nobody was really distancing and it spread to the outer islands. (Rumours of wicker men being prepared, and people battening down very quickly there.)


Any Russians or Lithuanians? :)

And there's a food processing plant in Perthshire that worked without incident all through the lockdown that has had to close because of a cluster. One employee caught the virus at home (linked to the Aberdeen cluster I wonder) and then a handful more in the factory got it. Nine cases so far in that cluster.


That sounds very similar to what happened in Ringsted at the slaughterhouse. They thought they could prevent it from spreading when the first cases appeared, but that was too optimistic, and they had to close down the whole thing for a week; about 900 workers, I think.

So here we are, supposed to have been aiming for no more than 5.5 new cases per day on average, and having made it to 7.1, now sitting on an average of 47.4. That is 8.7 cases per day per million population, which isn't actually dreadful on a scale of Germany to Spain, but it's still not where I'd like to see it. I just hope that number continues to fall as they get these clusters cleared up, but with the schools open and the pubs open and people getting careless and throwing house parties, I think it will be a miracle if we avoid further clusters.


Still much better than many other places. Approximately the same level as Norway, I think. It'll be interesting to see how much masks help. Contract tracer will probably be a job with secure employment for the next six months or so.
 
The management closed down the Perthshire plant without waiting to be told I believe. I think the idea that it's better to move fast than to wait and see what happens and then regret it has caught on around here.
 
Yes, great article.

Despite these huge advantages, and the seldom acknowledged fact that Sweden did introduce a raft of restrictions, including shutting all senior schools and universities, they have experienced one of the highest number of deaths per million population of any country in the world (eighth highest), yet only about 6 per cent of the population have been infected so far.
Rather than Sweden being an example of how benign Covid-19 is, it demonstrates the exact opposite.
Moreover, to continue the spark analogy, one of the most foolhardy plans of policy makers in several countries, including Sweden and the UK (third highest deaths per million), was to let the fires burn until there were insufficient trees remaining to sustain the fire.
We call this phenomenon "herd immunity" in infectious disease epidemiology.
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The only data in the table with any meaning are the number of people living in Sweden and the number of Covid deaths.
The 83,000 confirmed cases include only about one in seven of true cases according to large scale antibody studies in Sweden, so it is useless information.
Rod Jackson: Learning to live with Covid 19 coronavirus is not a viable option (NZHerald, Aug. 18, 2020)


I've shared it with the Swedes, but I fear most of them won't appreciate it! :)
 
This one is weird, considering that right-wing groups in the USA, Germany and most other parts of the world insist that face masks are an attempt to crush their freedom. The party Sverigedemokraterne (Wiki) is the only Swedish party to advocate face masks and thus oppose Tegnell, Giesecke and the Public Health Agency:

Av riksdagens åtta partier är Sverigedemokraterna ensamma om att förespråka munskydd, det visar SVT Nyheters kartläggning. Samtidigt menar regeringen att politiker inte ska lägga sig i frågan.
– I Sverige tar inte partierna medicinska beslut. Det gör expertmyndigheterna, skriver Socialdemokraterna.
SD ensamt om att förespråka munskydd (SVT.se, Aug. 18, 2020)
Of the eight parties in the Swedish parliament, the Sweden Democrats is the only one to advocate face masks, according to SVT News. The government thinks that politicians shouldn’t interfer in this question.
– In Sweden, the parties don’t make medical decisions. The expert authorities do so, the Social Democrats say.
SD is the only party to advocate face masks

The Sweden Democrats is the last party I would expect to agree with about anything.
 
Tuesday:
Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Aug. 18, 2020)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 573 (5,790) 174* 27 *according to SVT.se
Denmark: 107 (621) 115 1 According to TV2.dk
Finland: 60 (334) 24 0
Norway: 48 (262*) 29 1
Iceland: 29 (10) 13 1
Iceland has 122 active cases, Faroe Islands 142, New Zealand 90.
The Faroe Islands have 643 in quarantine, 4 hospitalizations, 0 in ICU, and with a total number of cases at 377, they still have no deaths.

Udenrigsministeriet fraråder rejser til Island (TV2.dk, Aug. 18, 2020)
The Danish ministry of foreign affairs warns against (unnecessary) trips to Iceland - Not because of a danger of getting infected but because of their new restrictions for all nationalities when arriving in Iceland.

Carlson: Fler smittad kan vara semestereffekt (DagensNyheter.se, Aug. 18, 2020)
Carlson (director of FHM): More cases may be due to the holidays - More Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations in Stockholm.

Folkhälsomyndigheten håller pressträff om cornoa
The Public Health Agency's (FHM) corona press briefing - Beginning to prepare people for face masks.

Lukasjenko håller på att tappa sitt järngrepp om Belarus. Den utlösande faktorn var regimens hantering av coronapandemin.
– Folk upptäckte att regimen inte bryr sig om människors hälsa, säger journalisten Yulia Slutskaja till SvD.
”Lukasjenkos hantering av covid-19 utlöste allt” (SvenskaDagbladet.se. Aug. 18, 2020)
Lukashenko is losing his iron grip on Belarus. It was triggered by the regime's way of handling the corona pandemic.
– People noticed that the regime doesn't care about people's health, says the journalist Yulia Slutskaja to SvenskaDagbladet.
"Lukashenko's way of handling Covid-19 was the trigger of it all"
 
Wednesday:
Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Aug. 19, 2020)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 574 (5,802) 192* 29 *according to SVT.se
Denmark: 107 (621) 85 1
Finland: 60 (334) 29 0
Norway: 48 (262) 24 1
Iceland: 29 (10) 8 1
Iceland has 122 active cases, Faroe Islands 126, New Zealand 96 (4 in ICUs, which seems to be a big number considering the number of cases).
The Faroe Islands have 465 in quarantine, no tests awaiting results, 3 hospitalized.
 
Pandemin påverkar Sveriges befolkningssiffror. Hittills är årets folkökning den lägsta på 15 år, enligt SCB. Samtidigt har Sverige inte haft så många dödsfall under det första halvåret sedan 1869.
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Under årets första sex månader har också fler personer dött än tidigare år. Det första halvåret i år dog 51 405 personer i Sverige. Det är det högsta antalet dödsfall för årets sex första månader sedan 1869, då 55 431 personer dog.
Det är även 4 633 dödsfall fler än genomsnittet för åren 2015–2019. De nivåer som är högre än snittet under dessa år klassas som överdödlighet och under det första halvåret 2020 var överdödligheten tio procent.
Flest antal döda i Sverige sedan 1869 (Aftonbladet.se, Aug. 19, 2020)
The pandemic impacts Sweden’s population numbers. So far, this year’s increase in population size is the lowest the past 15 years, according to SCB. At the same time, Sweden hasn’t had so many deaths since the first six months of 1869.
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In the first six months of this year, more people have also died than in previous years. In the first six months of 2020, 51,405 people died in Sweden. That is the highest number of deaths in the first six months of a year since 1869 when 55,431 people died.
It is as much as 4,633 more deaths than the average of the years 2015-19. Levels that are higher than the average of these years are registered as excess mortality, and during the first six months of 2020 the excess mortality was ten percent.
Highest number of deaths in Sweden since 1869

Flest døde i 150 år i Sverige
Coronakrisen kostede omkring 4500 livet i Sverige fra januar til juni. Tallet er sidenhen nået 5800.
Seneste nyt om coronavirus (TV2.dk, Aug. 19, 2020 – 18:22)
Highest number of deaths in Sweden in 150 years
The corona crisis took the lives of approximately 4,500 in Sweden from January to June. Since then, the number has increased to 5,800.
Latest news about coronavirus

Otte medarbejdere på Aalborg Universitetshospital er smittet
Otte medarbejdere på Aalborg Universitetshospital er smittet med coronavirus, oplyser Region Nordjylland til DR ifølge Ritzau.
Fem af dem arbejder på samme afdeling; klinisk biokemisk afdeling, hvor man blandt andet håndterer blodprøver.
Seneste nyt om coronavirus (TV2.dk, Aug. 19, 2020 – 15:53)
Eight new cases among members of staff at the Aalborg University Hospital
Eight employees at the Aalborg University Hospital have been infected with coronavirus, Region North Jutland informs DR, according to Ritzau.
Five of them work in the same ward, the clinical biochemical department, where one of their jobs is to handle blood tests.
Latest news about coronavirus

85 nye smittetilfælde i Danmark – to færre indlagt (TV2.dk, Aug. 19, 2020)
85 new cases in Denmark – two fewer in hospitals Only 16 are hospitalized at this point, probably because the registered cases are younger than at the beginning of the pandemic

Flere danskere smittes mens antallet falder i indvandrermiljøerne (TV2.dk, Aug 19, 2020)
More Danes are infected whereas there are fewer cases among immigrants

Efter smitte med coronavirus har op til 40 procent af den yngre del af befolkningen oplevet senfølger i flere måneder. Nu advarer WHO de yngre igen.
Dansk ekspert advarer den yngre del af danskerne: I risikerer alvorlige senfølger (TV2.dk, Aug. 19, 2020)
After having been infected with coronavirus, as many as 40 percent of the young people experience impacts to their health for several months. Now WHO warns young people again.
Danish expert warns young people: You risk serious long-term consequences

Pride gennemføres på trods af corona: ’Vi har gjort det alle troede var umuligt’ (DR.dk, Aug. 19, 2020)
Pride will take place in spite of corona: ’We have done what everybody thought was impossible’ - Most of it will be outdoors and a lot of it will also be online
 
A comprehensive survey of most countries indicates that the correlation between the severity and length of lockdowns do not correlate with saving lives.

Source.
 
A comprehensive survey of most countries indicates that the correlation between the severity and length of lockdowns do not correlate with saving lives.

Source.

...you are citing an opinion piece by this guy?

https://www.aier.org/staff/ethan-yang/

With all due respect, how old is he? He looks about 14. He has a BA in Political Science alongside a minor in Legal Studies and Formal Organizations. How is he an authority here? The "comprehensive survey" looks like a bunch of cherry picking done by Yang himself. He only mentions New Zealand once and its obvious why: it blows his claims out of the water. The science of Lockdown is pretty clear. People isolate in their own bubbles. Isolate longer than the incubation period of the virus and you it doesn't spread. Do it for 2-3 incubation periods and you bring yourself close to elimination. No amount of cherry picking statistics will change those basic principles.

And the length of a lockdown is a poor metric to be using here. In New Zealand, our Lockdowns are predicated on a couple of things: they are harsher than almost anywhere else in the world. But they are also SHORTER.

The stringency index should make it clear.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...untry=NZL~GBR~USA~SWE~AUS~IRL~ISR~ITA~JPN~KOR

We were in Level 4 lockdown for about 5 weeks, and at Level 4 we probably had the strongest and strictest Lockdown in the OECD. With a great help from Lady Luck that was enough to effectively starve out the virus. Over the next four weeks we dropped down to the levels and then effectively opened up everything except the borders.

Last week we had another outbreak. Auckland went to Lockdown Level 3, the rest of the country have gone to Lockdown Level 2. Over the last 5 days we've tested nearly 2% of the population, out of 1996 close contacts 1921 have been contacted, daily case numbers are on the way down (only 5 today) and with all going well the lockdowns won't last longer than 3 weeks in total.

No matter what Doogie Howser thinks, Lockdowns work. They've got to be done properly though, they have to be backed up with comprehensive testing and tracing and buy-in from everyone. If your Lockdowns are long then you probably haven't locked down hard enough, or early enough. But the process of Lockdown in itself obviously works. Its undeniable.
 
The lockdown in Britain was way too late, and it wasn't stringent enough. They emphasised all the wrong things. People were being monstered for sitting alone on a park bench or taking the dogs in the car for a walk on the moors, but nobody was talking about the indoor visiting and the house parties as the problem. Also, we weren't contact tracing at all at that time. We should have been contact tracing from a couple of weeks into the lockdown at the latest and been sure that the operation was working efficiently before opening up. Instead the TeTrIs operation was only being set up at the time of the lockdown. While the Scottish one seems quite effective the English one isn't, partly because they adopted a centralised model based on call centres, and partly because case incidence was still too high when they opened up.

It's an absolute car crash, but that's what they'll use to point and say, look, lockdowns don't work.
 
The lockdown in Britain was way too late, and it wasn't stringent enough. They emphasised all the wrong things. People were being monstered for sitting alone on a park bench or taking the dogs in the car for a walk on the moors, but nobody was talking about the indoor visiting and the house parties as the problem. Also, we weren't contact tracing at all at that time. We should have been contact tracing from a couple of weeks into the lockdown at the latest and been sure that the operation was working efficiently before opening up. Instead the TeTrIs operation was only being set up at the time of the lockdown. While the Scottish one seems quite effective the English one isn't, partly because they adopted a centralised model based on call centres, and partly because case incidence was still too high when they opened up.

It's an absolute car crash, but that's what they'll use to point and say, look, lockdowns don't work.

This is from late April, but still relevant:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2404-8_reference.pdf

Meanwhile this from Statistics Sweden

https://www.scb.se/en/About-us/news...-in-15-years-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

Excess mortality
In the first six months of the year, there were 51 405 deaths in Sweden. That is the highest number of deaths in the first six months of a year since 1869, when there were 55 431 deaths. It is even 4 633 more deaths than the average for the years 2015–2019.

Levels that are higher than the average for the years 2015–2019 are defined by Statistics Sweden as excess mortality. In the first six months of 2020, excess mortality reached 10 percent.
 
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