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rlopez2 said:
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Didn't they gain some experience from dropping two atom bombs on civilian populations living on areas with no military importance whatsoever?
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Where was the Headquarters of Japanese Second General Army?

Hiroshima.

"When the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, most of the military units, logistical arms, and command staff of the Second General Army were killed."

Together with the Fifth Division, Fifty-Ninth Army, and other combat divisions in the city who were also hit, an estimated 10-20,000 Japanese combatants were killed or wounded. Much of the staff, radio, telegraph and phone system for command and organization for the defense of Kyushu and Shikoku were destroyed.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe....JPG/220px-Hiroshima_Chindai_Headquarters.JPG

The 5th Division headquarters buildings in Hiroshima Castle were destroyed by the atomic bomb explosion on 6 August 1945.

Japanese 59th Army (Hiroshima) Headquarters and support units were destroyed as noted above.

Field Marshal Shunroku Hata* commander of the Second Army survived the attack and took control of devastated city.

The city had a battalion of anti-aircraft guns these were all destroyed also.

Ujina Air Base was made inoperable.

The Port facility was destroyed. It handled trade and the shipping of munitions to the Japanese army in China.

You can complain about Hiroshima all you want but pretending there were no Japanese units or military support organization there is just being highly disingenuous and weakens your argument considerably

*He later supported the decision to surrender because he had seen the affects of a nuclear bomb he was the senior most army officer to agree with the decision.
 
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> Hiroshima.
> "When the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, most of the military units, logistical arms, and command staff of the Second General Army were killed."
> Together with the Fifth Division, Fifty-Ninth Army, and other combat divisions in the city who were also hit, an estimated 10-20,000 Japanese combatants were killed or wounded. Much of the staff, radio, telegraph and phone system for command and organization for the defense of Kyushu and Shikoku were destroyed.
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...adquarters.JPG
> The 5th Division headquarters buildings in Hiroshima Castle were destroyed by the atomic bomb explosion on 6 August 1945.
> Japanese 59th Army (Hiroshima) Headquarters and support units were destroyed as noted above.
> Field Marshal Shunroku Hata* commander of the Second Army survived the attack and took control of devastated city.
> The city had a battalion of anti-aircraft guns these were all destroyed also.
> Ujina Air Base was made inoperable.
> The Port facility was destroyed. It handled trade and the shipping of munitions to the Japanese army in China.
> You can complain about Hiroshima all you want but pretending there were no Japanese units or military support organization there is just being highly disingenuous and weakens your argument considerably

Typical gringo "'greater-gooding' logic". You are very selectively missing some important aspects:

1) "military units, logistical arms, and command staff of an army" ... could only be meaningful in any way if they had been militarily capable. They weren't and USG knew that well.

2) some 335,000 people were instantly killed in Hiroshima and in Nagasaki most of them civilians:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

"The two bombings killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people, most of whom were civilians, and remain the only uses of nuclear weapons in armed conflict."
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I know, I know they were all "enemy combatants" ... What was the ratio of "enemy combatant" civilians killed in Pearl Harbor? Freedom lovers don't kill people they greater-good them. People who die should actually be thankful to them for having the choice of serving a "greater good".

USG knew well that there was a toilet seat in the public bathroom of that bar at the corner of Akimura and Horimoto Streets that would lead you to the underground offices of the Japanese high command if you knew where to press, why instantly killing so many civilians and making generations of survivers genetically sick, incapacitated? Also, they knew well that that underground passage could not possibly lead to Nagasaki 420 kilometers, a strait and a sea away.

The atom bombs dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both an experiment and a senseless "show of force". There was no real threat of military objectives at that place and moment of the war. "Patriots" have never appologized for the genocide committed.

3) most interestingly also in Europe, freedom lovers (the British and U.S. government) were savagily raiding cities with no military importance whatsoever, for example, Dresden was were the German royalty had their winter palace no military objective whatsoever, not even mousetraps were produced in that city. That was so out of it all abusive, that even Churchill pretended he didn't have to do with any of it as it was happening. In Pforheim they managed to kill 17,600 people in 22 minutes and in those times you couldn't kill people from an air conditioned container in Texas as if you were playing a computer game.

Their rationalization was that that little town was instrumental for the fine machinery used in bombs, but Dreaden?!? I remember once congressman Rangle a war veteran himself admitting to the fact that that idea about air bombing civilians populations was one of the great ideas of "freedom lovers". That is they had also spread the myth that Nazis were the ones who started doing such things. I once heard the intensity of the bombing of Vietnam as they compared to Nazi excesses and the demostrable figure was so unbelievably silly that it is even hard to remember.

The "freedom-hating" Russian and French allied armies never engaged in genocidal actions against German people (some French Resistance guys participated in the air raids). Probably they were not imaginative enough to see regular German folks as "enemy combatants", even if they definitely had more reasons to do so. Nazis had occupied France and almost totally destroyed Russia. The beef of the Russian and French military was with Nazis nicht with German folks. Honorable!

4) but you know what? I would give you the benefit of the doubt, probably that was the only way to end WWII. Let me make clear that that was a sarcastic statement!

What I find most interestingly "questionable" about "freedom lovers" is that Solzhenitsyn (who actually fought WWII as a soldier and commanding officer, and endured Stalinist gulags, as well) was "amazed" at having gringos "remind" to him that they won WWII for them!?!?!

"freedom lovers" only fought the last fifth of WWII. They only participated, got all "strategic", "offensive", "cooperative with Russia"... after they knew that the Nazis knew hell well that they were not going to be able to endure the hellish offensive that the Russian Untermenschen had mounted against them, after stopping first their Blitzkrieg and then them mightly. "freedom lovers" raided German urban populations after the war that matter had been fought and won for them by the Russian army. In fact, Hitler himself had the honesty to avoid his public rants and the matter discussed during the Yalta Conference was not strategic issues about the war, but what to do with Germany after the war was over, so clear was that point. Just checking a few dates will show you what I mean. Nazis still formidably fought Russia as they were being rolled over all the way back to Berlin.

So on 3 important counts "freedom lovers" would not hold the high ground not even while comparing them to Nazis.

1) "freedom lovers" have 8xed the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany during WWII

2) when Nazis went about their "freedom loving", were hearing "God telling them things", "making sure that freedom and progress prevail in the Universe", ... they went after people who could and did defend themselves on an equal basis

3) they fought (tried to fight) Russia as their way to put to the test their beliefs about "God being on their side"

if you believe yourself to be theworldsonlysuperpower, "the 'free' and 'the' 'brave', ...", ... why testing your beliefs with civilian populations, Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, ...?, but then become "responsible", "diplomatic", "verbal" when you have the chance to test your bs?

That seems to be part of the very definition of gringo "bravery", their difficult decisions, ...:

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> *He later supported the decision to surrender because he had seen the affects of a nuclear bomb he was the senior most army officer to agree with the decision.

Mission accomplished!

Again, here is the thing I can't quite understand, don't you think that the Chinese would drop their claim to the South China Sea if they see ~Xi Jinping~ drone? What is the problem? Isn't that easy?

As the bullies they have always been in their glorious history of "'good Christian' greatness" they are very careful about their "beliefs", "'estrategic' moves", ... "very hard choices" as Albright said, but why not making the hard choice of droning Xi Jinping?

All that "freedom lovers" have pretty much ever done is rationalizing abuse, talking themselves into believing their bs and feeling great about it.
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> So you are posting on an internet forum, but you don't have access to the internet?
> So you have been looking at You tube songs on the internet, even though you have no access to the internet?

At the place where I get access to the Internet, they have a dedicated computer with a sign that says: "Use this computer only if you will be talking ***** about USG". I sport an Afro that would turn Angela Davis into a pussy cat capitalist at the sight of it and when I go there I dress my finest silk kimono (including a fake sword which I did my best at making it look real) and do my best break dance performance as three uniformed officers escort me around. They kind of expect for me to use that computer. I don't know why they do that, but they are enjoyably serious!

Those people seem to believe that they wear different uniforms every time (uniforms do look different -to them-). For whatever reason the uniformed fellows don't seem to give a ***** about "what I shouldn’t be doing". However, they can't help but fixate on (what they see as) "my uniform". Uniforms are so important to those kinds of folks!

So after break dancing my way to that computer (it is not easy keeping your balance on wooden geta sandals which they keep in a separate area you will notice the LED of the 10+ cameras already blinking and they also put a large display right in front of you running quotes from Ronald Reagan and even Donald Trump!?! (such as "hello, this is 'America'", "we will drone the hell out of you for even thinking of doing things you shouldn't be doing" (tm), ...)

The interesting part however starts after you have finally logged in and opened a browser. You start running on to messages from people you won’t ever meet and you wouldn't want to know about, telling you that "they care about your privacy". Doesn’t that very obviously and tacitly mean I/you/we have no privacy whatsoever anyway? What on earth could they possibly effing mean?!? That they want to sell my mother into indentured prostitution? But why don’t they ask her directly? I am sure they know her better than I do and I know well, she would rather do that than being "committed" to a "senior citizens center" (those things from modernity!) Then you visit sites to buy toys for you kids and they start pushing ads on your face about dildos? Hmm! Has my daughter started to look into such things? There you see my mother's grandchild! besides what could you do about genetics, right?, or, wait, is it my wife? You would expect for them to know that I have encouraged my wife to "feel free to have fun out there (hopefully in a safe way)". Or, is it me they are suggesting dildos to? ... At times they have redirected klicks on this site to porno sites! It is all so confusing!?!

Would you consider that kind of "Internet access" a fair medium for communicating?
 
rlopez2 said:
Typical gringo "'greater-gooding' logic". You are very selectively missing some important aspects:

1) "military units, logistical arms, and command staff of an army" ... could only be meaningful in any way if they had been militarily capable. They weren't and USG knew that well.

2) some 335,000 people were instantly killed in Hiroshima and in Nagasaki most of them civilians:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

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Between 129,000 and 226,000 were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 20,000 of the dead in Hiroshima were soldiers.

The planned invasion of Japan would have resulted in 2 million dead Japanese and 400,000 US and allied troops. (fun fact: in the lead up to Operation Sea Lion they minted so many Medals of Honor in anticipation of the invasion that we are STILL using awards from that 1945 batch today)

On behalf of the United States I would like to apologize for not killing enough Japanese to suit Mr. Lopez's world view.

We'd have dropped it sooner if we had it.

We know you have a soft spot for the Soviets but you've gone out of your way to ignore their atrocities committed against both retreating German forces and civilians, or which those against civilians would continue until the end of the Cold War. You also ignore the fact that most of the Soviet casualties were inflicted by Soviet forces under command of their political officers. Russians who retreated were often shot on sight, and in the middle of a battle. That's why their numbers were so high (that and their incompetence).

Also happy to point out your laziness regarding Dresden, wherein you cite the Nazi propoganda, and ignore that the city was a central rail hub. The raid was a joint RAF-USAAF action, and as you recklessly use the word "Gringo" we didn't ask if there were a lot Nazi Party members before we flattened a city. By 1945 we were going to end the war as fast as possible.
 
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(fun fact: in the lead up to Operation Sea Lion they minted so many Medals of Honor in anticipation of the invasion that we are STILL using awards from that 1945 batch today)

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Nitpick: The planned invasion of Japan was Operation Olympic/Operation Downfall. Sea Lion was a different amphibious invasion that didn't happen.
 
> "Patriots" have never appologized for the genocide committed.

even if as a symbolic gesture towards the future. Appologizing, being humanely civil, "'morally' sophisticated" (as they say in the U.S.) is something only hopelessly "un-American" idiots would worry about.

// __ Obama visit to the memorial Hiroshima

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-36260642/obama-to-visit-hiroshima-but-no-apology

In fact, the nuking of Nagasaki was obviously part of a freedom-loving "double tap" with which USG spoused the mindset of terrorists. Obama was not only joking about "not knowing how good a killer he was" he was also proud of double taps and publicly boasting about them, even if people who are not known at all for having a kind heart were questioning the point of them (terrorists knew not to get near of previous attackts so those were family members, doctors)

... , or, well no, freedom lovers would be "errorists".

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> I once heard the intensity of the bombing of Vietnam as they compared to Nazi excesses and the demostrable figure was so unbelievably silly that it is even hard to remember.

even if you'd adjust that figure to more "modern" production throughput and technical capabilities

> ... in those times you couldn't kill people from an air conditioned container in Texas as if you were playing a computer game.

those idyllic times in which to kill people you had to stand up your rear end from a chair, do some actual "work", other than having Israelies help you pin someone down and joyfully pressing a button ~from a boardroom~!

> All that "freedom lovers" have pretty much ever done is rationalizing abuse, talking themselves into believing their bs and feeling great about it.

All that "Realpolitik" bs, bsing doctrines from Monroe, Kissinger, Brzezinski, ... about "'America' for 'Americans'", "not invading people but 'liberating' them", "'smartly' avoiding direct outright wars with people who could defend themselves on an equal basis, but using proxies", "greater gooding peoples" ... when you take a closer look at them are all about -abuse-. The most defining characteristic of gringo, "good Christian" ethos.

Basically, european imperial powers seem to have been very upset about Germany giving them a good taste of their own medicine. Those air raids to civilian populations were intended to "punish" Germany for not being imaginative enough to respect "gentlemen's agreements": you go mess with, invade, subjugate "negritos", not us! In fact, Nazis gave the anticolonial liberation movement after WWII a good start. Negritos were delighted at seeing their masters' rear ends being kicked hard. All those are "alternate facts", which, of course, are not part of freedom-loving indoctrinating "history".
 
> Between 129,000 and 226,000 were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 20,000 of the dead in Hiroshima were soldiers.

Oh, wait! They were not all "enemy combatants"?
 
> ... three uniformed officers escort me around. They kind of expect for me to use that computer. I don't know why they do that, but they are enjoyably serious!

I mean, other than the reason why they become "patriots" to begin with. Those kinds of folks don't have the mind to be able to find a job anyway. They have the mind to notice uniforms and follow orders that is all they need.

I remember once I noticed a comment encouraging military personnel to become teachers in NYC "so that our youth would learn 'discipline' ..." (they said). I was like: "Great Lord, I don't want to get in the way of that!" In no time a teacher replied with just a one liner: " ... 'discipline' like what? Like you see, but don't hear them?"!

> ... they also put a large display right in front of you running quotes from Ronald Reagan and even Donald Trump!?! (such as "hello, this is 'America'", "we will drone the hell out of you for even thinking of doing things you shouldn't be doing" (tm), ...)

How could I have forgotten that! At times they also play ~comical skits~ (such as those from youtube.com/Justforlaughts) which made me wonder, because those kinds of folks are not known to have a sense of humor, but I slowly realized (und confirmed!) that they had linked the themes of those skits to what they see as the intention of the topics of what you are about to rant about. So, they can even "read your mind"!. Amazing! Isn't AI great!?! No wonder Duterte was saying "'God' was telling him things" and there are so many people in the U.S. saying such things as: "the government can read, has hijacked my mind", "is seeing through my eyes", ...

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... but still, it makes things even more confusing, why do they have a dedicated seat for people to rant against USG when they even know what they were going to say?, and what does AI effing mean when it says that it cares about my privacy? Those are actual questions no one seems to have answers for, do you?
 
> We know you have a soft spot for the Soviets but you've gone out of your way to ignore their atrocities committed against both retreating German forces and civilians ...

Actually, I don't know what "we" know about me or my soft spots, but I can tell you that I have always had a soft spot in my heart for Isinbayeva rear end, but I am not so sure if that counts as soviet

and also I am not saying Nazis were good fellows, what I am demostrably arguing about is the USG can't begin to compare to even Nazis when it comes to "atrocities"

Have you cared to check the Math in which I showed that the genoicidal ratio of USG in their latest freedom loving has 8xed the worst figure by Nazis?

I know you will find some "greater gooding" logic around it, but have you checked the 3rd grade Math?
 
rlopez2 said:
> Hiroshima.
Typical gringo "'greater-gooding' logic". You are very selectively missing some important aspects:

A typical response from an irrational racist by the way I was born in Tokyo.

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>1) "military units, logistical arms, and command staff of an army" ... could >only be meaningful in any way if they had been militarily capable. They >weren't and USG knew that well.

LOL, I reject your amateurish denial and ask for you to explain how the Japanese army was 'not capable', we had learned on multiple occasions they were quite deadly ask the 6,800 Americans who died on Iwo Jima just before the bomb was dropped. The Japanese army was still in the fight.

頭おかしいんじゃない？

> I know, I know they were all "enemy combatants" ... What was the ratio of >"enemy combatant" civilians killed in Pearl Harbor? Freedom lovers don't kill >people they greater-good them. People who die should actually be thankful >to them for having the choice of serving a "greater good".

You don't get to hide your military people and military industrial capacity among civilians and expect it not to be hit. Both sides in the war did that. It doesn't do you any good to whine about it. Did the Japanese bomb Chinese cities? Yes.

> USG knew well that there was a toilet seat in the public bathroom of that >bar at the corner of Akimura and Horimoto Streets that would lead you to >the underground offices of the Japanese high command if you knew where to >press, why instantly killing so many civilians and making generations of >survivers genetically sick, incapacitated?

No pin point method of attack existed, so why make such a ridiculious arguement? Remember my reply was to your error in saying there was no military target at Hiroshima - you were wrong.

> Also, they knew well that that >underground passage could not possibly >ead to Nagasaki 420 kilometers, a >strait and a sea away.

No idea what you are bleating about above

> The atom bombs dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both an >experiment and a senseless "show of force". There was no real threat of >military objectives at that place and moment of the war. "Patriots" have >never appologized for the genocide committed.

Japanese (shamefully) has never apologized for the decade of war and MILLIONS of Chinese they killed in their war of genocide. As noted above your opinion that there was no 'military objective' is both naive and shown to be wrong by the facts. That is your problem, if you want to lie about go ahead but we'll just laugh at you

> *He later supported the decision to surrender because he had seen the >affects of a nuclear bomb he was the senior most army officer to agree with >the decision.

>Mission accomplished!

You stated previously:

>Didn't they gain some experience from dropping two atom bombs on civilian >populations living on areas with no military importance whatsoever?

Yep, there were Japanese military units in the city and Hiroshima was a legitimate target despite your mistake in saying otherwise. On that you are wrong. Now if you want to discuss why you were wrong further we can do so but anything outside of the topic of the Japanese military at Hiroshima will be deleted.
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rlopez2 said:
> Between 129,000 and 226,000 were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 20,000 of the dead in Hiroshima were soldiers.

Oh, wait! They were not all "enemy combatants"?
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How many Chinese civilians did the Japanese war machine Kill?

Do you know? Its millions - you might want to look that up.

You seem to be lost in a, 'the allies were evil because they killed civilians but the Axis killed lots too but I don't care mythos'. Its kinda silly and a really bad argument. You would do better to take a full blown 'all war is bad' at least its not so dramatically wrong as your current position.
 
rlopez2 said:
> "Patriots" ...........
> All that "freedom lovers".

All that "Realpolitik" bs, .......... about "'America' for 'Americans'", "not invading people but 'liberating' them", "'smartly' avoiding direct outright wars with people who could defend themselves on an equal basis, but using proxies", "greater gooding peoples" ... ........., "good Christian" ethos.

......o "punish" Germany for not being imaginative enough to respect "gentlemen's agreements": you go mess with, invade, subjugate "negritos", .........
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rlopez2 said:
> Between 129,000 and 226,000 were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 20,000 of the dead in Hiroshima were soldiers.

Oh, wait! They were not all "enemy combatants"?
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Who (besides the voices in your head) has said this?

I've never once encountered someone making that claim.
 
> Who (besides the voices in your head) has said this?
> I've never once encountered someone making that claim.

Oh, you are reading my mind! How flattered am I! Thank you!

Now, since you are reading my mind, you should know that USG is killing "even U.S. citizens, great Lord!" even minors. Little girls and their grandmas are upsetting all that worldsonlysuperpowerness of theirs, but then again, they are, as they have always been, very careful about whom they try their bsing beliefs, doctrines, claim, ... with


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>> Typical gringo "'greater-gooding' logic". You are very selectively missing some important aspects:
> A typical response from an irrational racist by the way I was born in Tokyo.

How on earth could I be "racist" if I am myself a Mischling and I have such an infatuation with Isinbayeva's rear end?

I don't give an eff about people's races, whatever that could possibly mean. To me it is just a visual thing. Life is too short for that kind of cr@p. All those "races" things are, like ideologies and religions, used to control and abuse the proles and for the proles to abuse themselves, it seems as well.

>> 1) "military units, logistical arms, and command staff of an army" ... could only be meaningful in any way if they had been militarily capable. They weren't and USG knew that well.
> LOL, I reject your amateurish denial and ask for you to explain how the Japanese army was 'not capable'

OK, sorry, let me rephrase the question so that you will hopefully understand me this time around.

Since "God is by their side", gringos should be excluded from physical reality as God's the favor for serving as police in the universe, right? I am a physicist myself, but if there is somethign I know with certainty is that there has to be something really special about gringos in a Stars Warry sense.

The Chinese and Russian military are very much capable of defending themselves. Any doubts about it?

Why is it then they don't get "freedom loved"? Why is it "'the' free and 'the' 'brave' ..." are so incredibly, schizophrenically selective and consistently so?!?

If you believe in "freedom loving", being "'the' 'brave' ..." (as gringos say of themselves (whatever the connection is of those stanzas in Patrick Henry's mind, voice and times with current day USA)), then you should believe in "freedom" for everyone and "being brave" not just when you can safely abuse your carefully chosen "enemy instances". However, if what you consider to be "freedom loving" is demonstrably and in a Golden Rule way downright bs and exploitation to other people involved, then you don't truly believe in "freedom" but bs.

If you consider yourself to be so, "brave" (and "strategically", "greater goodingly" so), but then all you have pretty much ever done is use your "braveness" to abuse peoples. What kind of "braveness" is that? Why is it that USG has all those "doctrines", "philosophies", "believes", ... which would only apply to people who can't defend themselves on an equal basis?

> we had learned on multiple occasions they were quite deadly ask the 6,800 Americans who died on Iwo Jima just before the bomb was dropped. The Japanese army was still in the fight.

Again, why instantly killing hundred of thousand of defenseless people? Why the senseless show of force? To make the statement for posterity? OK, fine! Posterity is right now!

>> I know, I know they were all "enemy combatants" ... What was the ratio of "enemy combatant" civilians killed in Pearl Harbor? Freedom lovers don't kill people they greater-good them. People who die should actually be thankful to them for having the choice of serving a "greater good".

> You don't get to hide your military people and military industrial capacity among civilians and expect it not to be hit. Did the Japanese bomb Chinese cities? Yes.

Oh, all that "'greater gooding' logic"! I don't know why you have shifted my argument towards the Eastern part of WWII. Because, I wear kimonos as Ersatz for uniforms when I need to "dress for success" and to impress "patriots", and because I like to break dance on geta sandals? or because of my expensive Afro?

> Both sides in the war did that. It doesn't do you any good to whine about it.

OK, Freedom lovers knew well Nazis were hiding their weaponry and scheming around their operations in whichever way they chose and when USG would tell Nazis to stop sinking their boats "... otherwise they would bear the consequences ..." (USG said) Nazis would go into a collective laughing roar while reading their messages. Yet, they made sure to sink even more boats. That to me is having a belief. Now, what were the consequences? Air raiding civilian populations? Oh, I know I know there were certainly some Nazi molecules hiding somewhere they bombed.

Why did they start to participate in WWII after it was over? After it had been won for them by Russia at incredibly great cost? And then, as always, altruistic gringos came with the idea of the Marshal Plan which Russia, off course, refused to bite and was paid back to the last cent by Germany even though it is still thrown on their faces (without mentioning that it was a paid debt, so why do they even still talk about it?)

>> USG knew well that there was a toilet seat in the public bathroom of that bar at the corner of Akimura and Horimoto Streets that would lead you to the underground offices of the Japanese high command if you knew where to press, why instantly killing so many civilians and making generations of survivors genetically sick, incapacitated?

>No pin point method of attack existed, so why make such a ridiculous argument? Remember my reply was to your error in saying there was no military target at Hiroshima - you were wrong.

>> Also, they knew well that that underground passage could not possibly lead to Nagasaki 420 kilometers, a strait and a sea away.

> No idea what you are bleating about above

OK, let say, I grant you the benefit of your "greater gooding" logic/doubts. What about Nagasaki? Where USG "estrategically" killed almost twice as many people (most probably) none of which were military personnel?

... and, most importantly, the ever consistently repeating "bravery" pattern by freedom lovers: raiding of German cities, Vietnam, Iraq, ... but then they seem to have a really hard time finding Russia and China on a map even though, as in the latest "accidents" (as USG called it) in the South China Sea, the Chinese did it on camera for the world to watch real-time and enjoy and they knew hell well "they were doing something they shouldn't be doing" (tm) ...

Then you notice some posterings and when you start getting like: great, something is about to happen, they are sending (effinf again!!!) their ships there!, but then again nothing happened, or yeah, somethign did happen the dixie chicken have a new album or somethign FAX news reported ...

>> The atom bombs dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both an >experiment and a senseless "show of force". There was no real threat of >military objectives at that place and moment of the war. "Patriots" have >never apologized for the genocide committed.

> Japanese (shamefully) has never apologized for the decade of war and MILLIONS of Chinese they killed in their war of genocide. As noted above your opinion that there was no 'military objective' is both naive and shown to be wrong by the facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

The war crimes involved the Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) and the Imperial Japanese Navy under Emperor Hirohito and they resulted in the deaths of millions of people. Some historical estimates of the number of deaths which resulted from Japanese war crimes range from 3[3] to 14[4] million through massacre, human experimentation, starvation, and forced labor that was either directly perpetrated or condoned by the Japanese military and government.[5][6][7][8][9][10] Some Japanese soldiers have admitted to committing these crimes.[11]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_War_II

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

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> That is your problem, if you want to lie about go ahead but we'll just laugh at you

I am not lying and, as anyone can see, I have backed all I have said and "I have nothing to hide" (I mean whatever "hiding" could mean in these times). You are the one trying to drag my argument into a defense of the Japanese, being "persuasive", avoiding the essence of my arguments and questions, ...

I have demonstrably argued that USG/freedom lovers don't hold the moral high ground not even while comparing them to the "Nazi horror" (let alone to wrong doings by the Chinese with their millenarian culture and Russia) and I have questioned all that bs about being "'the' 'brave' ...", caring for "democracy", "the rule of law", ...

>> Typical gringo "'greater-gooding' logic". You are very

How could you logically greater-good that USG in their latest freedom loving has 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany? and as you can see I used the worst of Nazi figures (just statistically speaking, not that I am some neo Nazi as some of you have called me, even though you can see exactly what my point is). It was only some 3rd grade Math. OK, ok, here is some help:

// __ Germany is the Tell-Tale Heart of America's Drone War

https://theintercept.com/2015/04/17/ramstein/?comments=1#comments

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deut...etze-aus-deutschland-gesteuert-a-1029264.html
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freedom lovers go blank when those kinds of questions are posed to them. They seem to be paying so much attention to "what 'God' is telling them" that they can't even physically perceive the signifiers serving as medium to carry the meaning of such questions in the same way that they don't seem to be able to find China and Russia on a map! That is why they can not freedom love them, so freedom loving easy! You see?: "out of sight, out of mind".

>>> *He later supported the decision to surrender because he had seen the >affects of a nuclear bomb he was the senior most army officer to agree with >the decision.

>>Mission accomplished!

>You stated previously ...

and there you go again with your Japanese this and that
 
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>>>How on earth could I be "racist"
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Gringo is a derogatory term and you are well aware of it and use it as an insult making you a racist. However, please do continue to use it as it provides a clear indication of your purpose and level of intelligence.

>>>OK, sorry, let me rephrase the question so that you will hopefully understand me this time around.

Deleted a bunch of disconnection irrational racist nonsense.

So, in summary you didn’t address the question ask of you so your characterization that the Japanese army was ‘not capable’ is falsified as is your amateur and un-evidenced opinion that there was no Japanese military target at Hiroshima.

Remember any reference to your political opinions will be deleted as I said they would. If you have some defense of your disingenuous comment about the Japanese military setup in Hiroshima please make an effort - but please cease your mindless political bleating’s.

Your knowledge of the Japanese Military organization in Japan in the time in question is lamentably bad to non-existent. I suspect you have done no research but instead just repeat what others have told you to believe. Sad.
 
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