Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

In the UK if it is football related it is a riot by hooligans.
If it is Rugby or cricket related then it is 'high spirits'

Difference being. football is a mainly working class sport and the other two are favoured by the public schoolboys and the Oxbridge types.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I told my neighbors these weren't riots in Seattle. A 'riot' is what happened in LA, Watts, and Detroit.

Now they are all "see, see, the police declared what was happening in Seattle a riot".

Turns out the police needed to do that in order to meet the court's exception to a council/mayor order so the police could use tear gas and flash bangs.
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Sorry, but you're wrong. Not all riots are of the same scale and intensity, just as not all wars are the same (not every war is World War 2, for example, there are smaller wars). Some riots may be bigger than others, but what happened in Seattle was definitely a riot.

It sounds like saying it's only a rape when a stranger forces it at gunpoint. Or it's not really stealing if the value of the stolen property is less than $200.
 
Puppycow said:
Sorry, but you're wrong. Not all riots are of the same scale and intensity, just as not all wars are the same (not every war is World War 2, for example, there are smaller wars). Some riots may be bigger than others, but what happened in Seattle was definitely a riot.

It sounds like saying it's only a rape when a stranger forces it at gunpoint. Or it's not really stealing if the value of the stolen property is less than $200.
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Your rape analogy is a total fail.

Using your war analogy, is every battle a war?

As was noted upthread, one can call a bar brawl a riot.

Here's the bottom line: Trump keeps describing the protests in Seattle and Portland as out of control rioting, involving the whole city.

It's a BS exaggeration.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Your rape analogy is a total fail.

Using your war analogy, is every battle a war?

As was noted upthread, one can call a bar brawl a riot.

Here's the bottom line: Trump keeps describing the protests in Seattle and Portland as out of control rioting, involving the whole city.

It's a BS exaggeration.
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The LA riots did not involve the whole city. It was actually a pretty condensed area with a few spots here and there around it. I lived there at the time and watched the fires from my rooftop over 10 miles away. I had an LA address.

(I actually felt I was much closer but google maps told me different!)
 
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Sherkeu said:
The LA riots did not involve the whole city. It was actually a pretty condensed area with a few spots here and there around it. I lived there at the time and watched the fires from my rooftop over 10 miles away. I had an LA address.

(I actually felt I was much closer but google maps told me different!)
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Of course they didn't. But they burned out blocks of buildings, looted widely and a lot of people died.

There were murders associated with CHOP. They weren't killed by rioters. A couple construction trailers burned. No buildings burned. I believe some have tried to burn the courthouse in Portland and a small fire was set in the police precinct in Seattle.

There's no comparison. I grew up in LA. Lived there during the Watts riots and my family still lives in the area now. One of my nephews (by marriage) and his friend drove around the LA area after the riots taking pictures, which I have seen.

People who aren't in Seattle or Portland hear that there have been riots and they think it's like the LA or Watts riots when it is no such thing, not even close.


Involving the whole city was never my criteria for a riot. I said Trump implies the whole cities of Portland and Seattle are involved.
 
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Ron Obvious said:
Cricket: a gentlemen's game played by gentlemen.
Rugby: a thug's game played by gentlemen
Football: a gentlemen's game played by thugs

Or did I mangle that?
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No, that's right. One point though : violence amongst rugby fans is unheard of. I think it might be to do with the physicality of the contest being played out on the field of play. Soccer is much more artificial, which creates tension rather than catharsis.

One wonders what the stand-off in Portland between rioters and feds creates in the two tribes of spectators.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Involving the whole city was never my criteria for a riot. I said Trump implies the whole cities of Portland and Seattle are involved.
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The hyperbolic rhetoric produced by the right is beyond ludicrous, and I can't believe that it's working with anyone but the already lost souls. Yes, the rioters are self-indulgent twats who should be arrested and duly processed into a harsh reality. and I hope they will be. It's not ubiquitous, it's not expanding, it's not even widespread in Portland, and the threat of rabid anarchism fuelled by "truly evil" Democrats has been grossly exaggerated. I predict it will end in a yawn (except for those unlucky enough to be caught caught up in the rut).


What has happened is that the Triumvirate has tipped its hand. This was their trial run and it's flopped, but we know who the muscle is now - the definitely rabid Border Patrol. Sad.
 
Puppycow said:
I'm not endorsing that view of rape; I'm saying it's a ridiculous way to define rape. Just like it's ridiculous to say that it isn't a riot unless it matches Watts, LA or Detroit in the amount of destruction and mayhem.
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You ignored the analogy of yours I did say was valid, big wars/little wars.

So is a battle a war? Or is there a qualitative difference in addition to the quantitative difference?
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
You ignored the analogy of yours I did say was valid, big wars/little wars.

So is a battle a war? Or is there a qualitative difference in addition to the quantitative difference?
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SAT question, maybe.

Battle is to War what

Riot is to _________
a) rebellion
b) civil unrest
c) insurrection
d) all of the above

I think you are comparing the wrong nouns.
 
Daniel Perry, the man who shot and killed Garrett Foster at a BLM protest in Austin openly fantasized about killing protesters on Twitter.

According to witnesses on the scene, he initiated the confrontation by driving his car dangerously into the crowd. No witnesses have corroborated his claim that Foster ever raised his rifle or threatened the shooter in any way. Open carrying a rifle is lawful in Texas.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/us/austin-protest-shooting-witness/index.html

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/man-who-shot-garrett-foster-at-downtown-austin-protest-claims-self-defense-says-attorney

Below is a dubious source, but it contains screenshots of Perry's now deleted twitter account:

https://tribuneofthepeople.news/2020/07/30/breaking-investigation-points-to-ex-military-reactionary-in-murder-of-garrett-foster/
 
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HoverBoarder said:
ttps://thepostmillennial.com/radio-host-dunks-on-trump-by-claiming-seattle-riots-are-peaceful-then-rioters-torched-his-apartment-buildingh

A radio host mocked Trump, and said that the protests were peaceful. "walked through it last night out of curiosity, and saw no burning, pillaging, or deaths. Chill dawg."
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Have you any reason to believe that the protests he was commenting on weren't peaceful?

Than rioters destroyed his apartment building.
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An excllent example of the ludicrously hyperbolic rhetoric I referred to previously (Post Millenial had it as "torched his apartment building" when in reality some windows were broken). The fact that you feel the need to engage in it demonstrates that you don't actually have anything real to work with.

He commented that Police told him know to stay away from the building at the moment, as there might still be explosives inside.
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Those would be fireworks, which are low-explosives.

Now he is saying "I feel like I need to buy a firearm right now, because clearly this is going to keep happening. Enough is enough."
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If that's true he's over-reacting.

The whole situation is pretty tragic, and the fact that rioters are running around throwing explosives ...
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They're throwing fireworks, and not even serious ones. They are low-explosives technically. Throwing explosives is what serious rioters did in 70's Belfast and Derry. Get a grip (and not just on your pearls).

... and you still have people defending them is even worse.
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Who's defending them?

When Gallard reported on peaceful protests in June they were peaceful protests. That's not defending rioters. Give an example of somebody defending rioters.

However, it's hard not to find situation like this at least a little funny.
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You're behaviour is amusing me no end, I'll give you that.
 
Fed troops are withdrawing from Portland. A peaceful demonstration ensues with the protesters policing themselves.

Guardian: Portland sees peaceful night of protests following withdrawal of federal agents
Protesters in support of Black Lives Matter once again rallied near the federal courthouse that became a flashpoint, and the scene of nightly battles amid the swirl of teargas, after Donald Trump dispatched agents to end what he called anarchy in the city after weeks of demonstrations.

But in the absence of the federal officers, Thursday night’s protest passed off without major incident or intervention by the police.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Fed troops are withdrawing from Portland. A peaceful demonstration ensues with the protesters policing themselves.
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So the protesters could have policed themselves to be peaceful protesters... but chose not to before today?
Or did the fire-bombing faction decide to leave?

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Is someone following the destructive dangerous rioters to see where they are off to next? I hope so!

eta2: why say 'troops'? Was the military there?
 
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Sherkeu said:
So the protesters could have policed themselves to be peaceful protesters... but chose not to before today?
Or did the fire-bombing faction decide to leave?

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Is someone following the destructive dangerous rioters to see where they are off to next? I hope so!

eta2: why say 'troops'? Was the military there?
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So the police could have left at any time without the sky falling... but didn't do so before today?

Is anyone following those faceless stormtroopers who abducted peaceful protesters in unmarked vans, to see where they're off to next? No? All right, then.

Why say fire-bombing faction? Were there terrorists there?
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Is anyone following those faceless stormtroopers who abducted peaceful protesters in unmarked vans, to see where they're off to next? No? All right, then.
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There needs to be a method of identification of these government troops. I am not suggesting embroidering on their names and addresses yet there absolutely needs to be a method for tracking and punishing wrongful and/or illegal actions. This is like watching Stars Wars Storm Troopers or the Wizard of Oz flying chimps. Some sort of hologram could easily be applied.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
So the police could have left at any time without the sky falling... but didn't do so before today?

Is anyone following those faceless stormtroopers who abducted peaceful protesters in unmarked vans, to see where they're off to next? No? All right, then.

Why say fire-bombing faction? Were there terrorists there?
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Touché.

They weren't "police". So what does that leave, something in between police and troops? These were supposedly military contractors from Homeland Security, prison guards and border guards.

Federal guards? :rolleyes:

Examples: USA Today: Homeland Security requests more troops at U.S.-Mexico border

Book on HSA
Homeland security is an important extension of the Army’s historical role of providing military support to civilian authorities. The Army will be called on to assist the lead federal agency, the Department of Homeland Security, in meeting a wide range of demands for consequence management and recovery of public order and critical services.
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I'm comfortable calling them federal troops.
 
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