Cont: The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread pt. 2

[Belz...]

The problem is getting too big to hide at this point.

I don't know how the hell it's going to affect the elections in November, though.

 

[Resume]

Worldometer has deaths today so far at 1049.

I thought deaths were down?

 

[Beelzebuddy]

I am so tired of winning. Like bone tired, exhaustion tired.

You're gonna want to get that tested, you might have been one of today's lucky winners.

 

[Trebuchet]

Survival potential will determine whether South Texas county hospital takes in COVID-19 patients

'We cannot continue functioning the way things are going. The numbers are staggering,'

*sighs*

Basically triage as first developed during WWI. Divide the wounded (ill) into three groups: Those who will be ok without immediate treatment; those who have a chance with immediate treatment; and those who aren't going to make it anyhow. Make the first and last groups as comfortable as practicable, and treat the second.
That makes sense in wartime. But this is 21st century America. Horrible.

Officially past 4 million cases.

"We're Number One! We're Number One!"

Which is a pretty Number Two situation!

 

[slyjoe]

Ah yes keep the dying highly infectious people in the hallways that is how you give them dignity instead of sending them home. Why is it so important that people die in the hospital instead of at home?

I think you are talking about two different things. The ones in the hallways are not necessarily dying or have been given up on. Secondly, you don't necessarily know who is going to die.

Why do people go to in-patient hospice to die? End of life often requires palliative care.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Brad Parscale Tweets

Brad Parscale
@parscale
I talked to a police officer today. He said a child was shot and killed in Florida. The child had covid after blood testing.
He was marked as a covid death.
If this is true, this madness must stop.

 

[Minoosh]

Brad Parscale Tweets

Brad Parscale
@parscale
I talked to a police officer today. He said a child was shot and killed in Florida. The child had covid after blood testing.
He was marked as a covid death.
If this is true, this madness must stop.

I can see why he's on the outs with Trump - he cares what the actual truth is.

 

[Minoosh]

So does anyone think Trump's new campaign manager have anything to do with canceling Jacksonville? It's good the event won't be held, but it worries me that Trump is listening to good advice.

 

[Armitage72]

We officially passed 4 million confirmed cases.

From first confirmed case in America to 1 million cases took 99 days. From 1 million to 2 million cases took 43 days. From 2 million to 3 million cases took 28 days. And from 3 million to 4 million cases took 15 days. We'll probably hit 5 million in about a week.

Well we flatten the curve. We just flattened it on the Y axis by mistake.

Someone on another forum noted something about these numbers.

Doubling the number of cases from 1 million to 2 million took 43 days.
Doubling the number of cases from 2 million to 4 million took 28 + 15 = 43 days.

The rate of doubling has been unchanged during that period. If it remains consistent, we'll have 8 million at the start of September and more than 20 million by Election Day.

 

[Babbylonian]

Brad Parscale Tweets

Brad Parscale
@parscale
I talked to a police officer today. He said a child was shot and killed in Florida. The child had covid after blood testing.
He was marked as a covid death.
If this is true, this madness must stop.

Don't worry, Brad. It's a ******* lie...which you know because you told it.

 

[Segnosaur]

Brad Parscale Tweets
I talked to a police officer today. He said a child was shot and killed in Florida. The child had covid after blood testing.
He was marked as a covid death.
If this is true, this madness must stop.

Anyone else find this a little... Suspicious?

No source, just a quote from some unnamed Police officer (who likely is not even involved with the case)



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[Meadmaker]

I can see why he's on the outs with Trump - he cares what the actual truth is.

I doubt it. I'm guessing the entire story is a lie.

Just a guess, but I wouldn't believe it without a better source.

 

[Segnosaur]

Wrong thread.

 

[carlitos]

...........


Well we flatten the curve. We just flattened it on the Y axis by mistake.

Ouch

 

[carlitos]

...........
I never in my life imagined anything like this could befall this nation. It's really heartbreaking.

I said back in feb or march that hopefully this was Trump’s crisis, a chance to show everyone his incompetence. I was glad that it wasn’t a nuke or something. I couldn’t imagine things being this bad. The Fall is going to suck.

 

[carlitos]

Someone on another forum noted something about these numbers.



Doubling the number of cases from 1 million to 2 million took 43 days.

Doubling the number of cases from 2 million to 4 million took 28 + 15 = 43 days.



The rate of doubling has been unchanged during that period. If it remains consistent, we'll have 8 million at the start of September and more than 20 million by Election Day.

So the crowds at the next inauguration shouldn’t be a problem as we will just about have herd immunity by January. Those that are left, I mean.

 

[Aridas]

However, a local college professor thinks people like Brad Colburn really do believe it.

To poke at this for a moment... A lot of them quite certainly do think that it's horribly overblown, at the least. An important thing to remember there, though, is that people are NOT especially rational creatures as a whole, and it gets much worse when they've been actively disinformed (Fox, Limbaugh, most of the rest of the not very honest right-wing propagandists, Russia/China/other distinctly not friendly foreigners, and business interests have all pumped out a lot of disinformation targeted at them, to be clear). It's also important to understand how powerful and prevalent motivated reasoning is, and that there really are a number of quite powerful motivators to belittle the dangers.

Point of order: Democrats also hate America.

And babies. And jobs.

Basically triage as first developed during WWI. Divide the wounded (ill) into three groups: Those who will be ok without immediate treatment; those who have a chance with immediate treatment; and those who aren't going to make it anyhow. Make the first and last groups as comfortable as practicable, and treat the second.
That makes sense in wartime. But this is 21st century America. Horrible.

I was personally more reminded of Italy, but... yeah, I'm not faulting the hospital at all. What blame there is lies more with how preventable the situation actually was and those who actively worked against prevention, especially as situations like this were easily predictable from early on.

 

[Aridas]

I can see why he's on the outs with Trump - he cares what the actual truth is.

...That's not actually caring about what actual truth is, though, when taken in the larger context. That's just putting forth a facade of caring about the truth as part of the larger efforts to spin the COVID crisis as wildly overhyped lies.

To address the story mentioned itself, though... honestly, I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility that the story is true without more information, but would consider it neither trustworthy, nor even remotely meaningful even if it were true after the rest of the Florida Republican Party's efforts to cheat to make the numbers look lower. It seems like it's much along the lines of claims in the UK, though, is my first impression. The story there, IIRC, was that doctors were being required to wrongfully list COVID as cause of death as part of the government's overcompensation to how badly the leadership screwed everything up before then.

 

[The Don]

...That's not actually caring about what actual truth is, though, when taken in the larger context. That's just putting forth a facade of caring about the truth as part of the larger efforts to spin the COVID crisis as wildly overhyped lies.

To address the story mentioned itself, though... honestly, I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility that the story is true without more information, but would consider it neither trustworthy, nor even remotely meaningful even if it were true after the rest of the Florida Republican Party's efforts to cheat to make the numbers look lower. It seems like it's much along the lines of claims in the UK, though, is my first impression. The story there, IIRC, was that doctors were being required to wrongfully list COVID as cause of death as part of the government's overcompensation to how badly the leadership screwed everything up before then.

I'm definitely prepared to believe that there are small number of "edge cases" where someone has died and tested positive for Covid-19, the cause of death is noted as Covid-19 but Covid-19 wasn't a contributory factor in their death.

OTOH there are likely thousands, or tens of thousands of people - especially those in high risk groups - who have died without a Coronavirus test but where Covid-19 was a major contributor to their death.

 

[newyorkguy]

Brad Parscale tweeted
I talked to a police officer today. He said a child was shot and killed in Florida. The child had covid after blood testing. He was marked as a covid death. If this is true, this madness must stop.

BeaglesResist tweeted
Alerting the Florida Department of Health to your concern. Hopefully they will contact you or the "police officer" for details to look into this violation of medical ethics that I think we all know never happened.

Twitter link

I read a news story online -- I'm not posting the link because it looked like a spam site (and legitimate media doesn't seem to be covering this) -- but they made a good point. There are not many children fatally shot in the head in Florida. They listed the few who have been in the past couple months and none seem to have been listed as dying of Covid-19.

I also note, Parscale gives himself some weasel room --"If this is true" -- which isn't too reassuring. This looks like an obvious attempt to buttress the assertion that the Covid-19 pandemic is being deliberately exaggerated by you-know-who in order to 'make trump look bad.' But if Parscale was a reputable person, instead of a mere hired gun, wouldn't the responsible thing to have done be to look into this, maybe notify Florida officials? BEFORE posting it to social media?

Because the sad fact of life is, a lot of the knuckledraggers will use this to justify not taking any precautions to protect themselves from coronavirus. In Florida -- where the governor has even blamed "the media" for the increase in the state's coronavirus -- that's not too smart.