Without the constraints of the ACA, there would have been an infinite amount of life-saving equipment and everyone who had adequate insurance would have been treated.
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Without the constraints of the ACA, there would have been an infinite amount of life-saving equipment and everyone who had adequate insurance would have been treated.
Segnosaur
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All that could have been avoided if they just stopped testing people.
No test, no Covid19, no people needing emergency health care.
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slyjoe
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Because this is the time to reintroduce active COVID cases back into the community.
I don’t know. I don’t even know what software it is. I am not going to look this up. I have used a ton of statistics and some graphing / visualization tools. In my experience, most people either use the default settings, or set them for a particular looking result and leave it that way. Like “3 red counties” for instance.
I’m not holding back on you; I really don’t know and I’m really not that interested in researching.
ETA - I apologize for not directly replying before. A couple of other people gave better info on the software since I posted, and I thought you might have some of that. Thank you for engaging honestly and your willingness to change views based on this type of info. I should have made my disclaimer more clear.
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Because this is the time to reintroduce active COVID cases back into the community.
Would you think it better to just euthanize them on the spot? These doctors are saying that they literally can't handle every case that is serious enough to require hospitalization. This is obviously secondary to the Texas government not taking the virus seriously enough (encouraged by their hero president), and now comes the time that the citizens of Texas pay the price.
Fortunately (not really), these people who are being turned away will likely be too sick to spread the virus further than their homes.
slyjoe
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Of course not. No, you isolate them from others and provide the care you CAN provide.
Only spread to their homes? And what about the people that may have contact with them in their homes?
newyorkguy
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California is seeing a dramatic increase in new infections. In Orange County there have been 31,743 cases and 521 Orange County residents have died. The situation in Orange County is getting worse. Cases are rising, hospital ICUs are two-thirds full and testing is coming back with a 12% positive rate which seems very high. (Orange County Health Dept. Covid-19 Dashboard - link) In New York State testing has had a 1% positive rate for several weeks now. The Los Angeles Times looked at Orange County, where resistance to wearing face masks and social distancing is especially strong. Typical was one man the Times spoke to:
A poster here is from Orange County and a few months ago they wrote -- in this thread I think -- that the private school their child attends was preparing to reopen. That the state couldn't force them to remain closed because it's a private school. They wrote that California governor Newsom could "go eff himself." It would be understandable if they had written that they thought Newsom was overreacting, that closing the schools would do more damage to the kids than the virus. I wouldn't agree with it but at least you could follow the logic (even if you found it flawed). But they wrote their governor could go eff himself. They were angry. Angry at their governor for basically doing what every other country in the world was doing in the face of an epidemic of an incurable virus.
So much anger. It's almost as though 30% of the country is at war with the rest of us.
I don't get it. Why would someone seriously think the Democrats are inflating Covid-19 statistics in order to 'shut everything down.' For what purpose? How would they coordinate changing public health records with none of their political opponents being able to find evidence of it and sound the alarm? It seems likelier to me this man doesn't really think that, he's just angry and lashing out. However, a local college professor thinks people like Brad Colburn really do believe it.
A poster here is from Orange County and a few months ago they wrote -- in this thread I think -- that the private school their child attends was preparing to reopen. That the state couldn't force them to remain closed because it's a private school. They wrote that California governor Newsom could "go eff himself." It would be understandable if they had written that they thought Newsom was overreacting, that closing the schools would do more damage to the kids than the virus. I wouldn't agree with it but at least you could follow the logic (even if you found it flawed). But they wrote their governor could go eff himself. They were angry. Angry at their governor for basically doing what every other country in the world was doing in the face of an epidemic of an incurable virus.
So much anger. It's almost as though 30% of the country is at war with the rest of us.
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People they have already been in contact with and infected mostly. Where are they getting the beds for these people do die in or are you just sticking them in a storage cupboard somewhere?
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Exactly. One thing that seems to elude many participating in the discussion of the pandemic is that hospitals still have to deal with every other damn illness and injury that has nothing to do with the current pandemic. People with heart attacks still need coronary artery bypasses (and ventilators, by the way), victims of severe beatings need their broken bones mended, pregnant women need to deliver babies, etc. Hell, people are still getting pneumonia that isn't caused by this novel coronavirus!
This is why from the very beginning (before Trump took any positive action at all) the experts were perhaps most concerned that hospitals would become overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients, especially in areas that are already underserved when it comes to health care. People are now dying because there's no room left in at least this one hospital, and probably more in areas where some patients won't even bother trying because the nearest hospital was overburdened even before this pandemic started.
slyjoe
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It depends on locality. Here, it's hard to tell if they've hit the triage stage yet. But there are plans. A shutdown hospital is being opened up. Some areas seem to be using hallways.
ETA: as to the underserved/rural areas, helicopters are being used to transfer patients to and from hospitals to try to even out the loading.
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Thanks, no problem.I don’t know. I don’t even know what software it is. I am not going to look this up. I have used a ton of statistics and some graphing / visualization tools. In my experience, most people either use the default settings, or set them for a particular looking result and leave it that way. Like “3 red counties” for instance.
I’m not holding back on you; I really don’t know and I’m really not that interested in researching.
ETA - I apologize for not directly replying before. A couple of other people gave better info on the software since I posted, and I thought you might have some of that. Thank you for engaging honestly and your willingness to change views based on this type of info. I should have made my disclaimer more clear.
I also have extensive experience with these sort of tools. It's inconceivable those are default settings. I have little doubt the color scheme was driven by willful shenanigans.
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Ah yes keep the dying highly infectious people in the hallways that is how you give them dignity instead of sending them home. Why is it so important that people die in the hospital instead of at home?
Segnosaur
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I guess Stephen Miller's family was a little jealous about just how dysfunctional the Trump's were, and decided to get in on the action.
From: Mother Jones
Stephen Miller, the extremist anti-immigrant Trump adviser...lost a relative to the coronavirus pandemic, and his uncle tells Mother Jones that the Trump administration is partly to blame for this death... David Glosser, the brother of Miller’s mother, posted a Facebook note announcing the death of his mother, Ruth Glosser, who was Miller’s maternal grandmother...
Note that the accuser (Glosser) has criticized Miller and Trump before, so it is not a case of someone switching sides because of a loss.
From: Mother Jones
Stephen Miller, the extremist anti-immigrant Trump adviser...lost a relative to the coronavirus pandemic, and his uncle tells Mother Jones that the Trump administration is partly to blame for this death... David Glosser, the brother of Miller’s mother, posted a Facebook note announcing the death of his mother, Ruth Glosser, who was Miller’s maternal grandmother...
Note that the accuser (Glosser) has criticized Miller and Trump before, so it is not a case of someone switching sides because of a loss.
We officially passed 4 million confirmed cases.
From first confirmed case in America to 1 million cases took 99 days. From 1 million to 2 million cases took 43 days. From 2 million to 3 million cases took 28 days. And from 3 million to 4 million cases took 15 days. We'll probably hit 5 million in about a week.
Well we flatten the curve. We just flattened it on the Y axis by mistake.
From first confirmed case in America to 1 million cases took 99 days. From 1 million to 2 million cases took 43 days. From 2 million to 3 million cases took 28 days. And from 3 million to 4 million cases took 15 days. We'll probably hit 5 million in about a week.
Well we flatten the curve. We just flattened it on the Y axis by mistake.
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I am so tired of winning. Like bone tired, exhaustion tired.
This is what health officials have been worrying about, especially when you add in seasonal flu. Medical facilities face an additional burden because Covid-19 patients have to be physically isolated from other patients.
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The president of the United States must certainly have this information. Yet just a week ago -- seems a lot longer in hyper-trump time -- this thing that currently resides in the White House was exhorting states to 'reopen schools fully' or face financial penalties from the federal government.
Unbelievable that someone like this could remain in the White House. You'd have thought any president who behaved the way this one does would have had angry mobs storming 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue by now. Instead, we have reached a point where a majority of Americans who identify as Republicans say they think trump 'has handled the pandemic well, done a good job as our president and should get four more years.'
I never in my life imagined anything like this could befall this nation. It's really heartbreaking.
The problem is getting too big to hide at this point.
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Making Trump look bad, of course.
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Point of order: Democrats also hate America.
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