Passing Peak Trump?

The SCOTUS decision about Trump's records is a clear marker for "post-Peak Trumpdom.

The Justices have made it clear that the President does not have immunity against investigation, which has a lot of knock-on effects when it comes to subpoenas etc.
 
Segnosaur said:
It is certainly possible that some Trump supporters would lie because they like Trolling pollsters. (Its also possible that some may lie because they are embarrassed to tell anyone they like Trump.)
But, I figure at most that might affect the results by a percent or 2. If Biden is leading by double digits it won't really change a potential win to a loss.

Remember, many of the same factors were in play in 2016... We knew Trump was a racist conman who liked to 'grab em by the pussy'. Trump's supporters were fine with that. Yet opinion polls ended up actually being pretty accurate at the end (off by only a couple of percentage points in the popular vote). They had similar reasons to lie in 2016, but it didn't really change how accurate the polls ended up being.
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If someone is so embarrassed about liking Trump that they lie to pollsters, then they need to ask themselves why they are embarrassed.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The SCOTUS decision about Trump's records is a clear marker for "post-Peak Trumpdom.

The Justices have made it clear that the President does not have immunity against investigation, which has a lot of knock-on effects when it comes to subpoenas etc.
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I think it was designed to delay issue beyond November. It also means they can attack Biden more from this angle, if he becames POTUS.

USA rots. It is not pretty. It is irreversible. All you guys can do is to slow down process of degeneration (by voting for someone else than authoritarian right-wing party of rethuglicanery) until I am safely in grave. Unfortunately, I doubt I will be that lucky.

Returning to title, there may be peak of Trump. But when peak of aforementioned authoritarian right-wing party will pass?
 
Distracted1 said:
I don't credit Trumpsters as having a high level of introspection.

However, there is probably a little fear of this playing into it as well:
https://www.diyphotography.net/bh-e...ublicly-opposing-black-lives-matter-movement/
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I don't think so unless your* paranoia runs so deep you think the pollsters are part of the Deep State and polling is just a ruse to call up your employer and say "Your employee is going to vote for Trump".

I can see not wanting to say who you're voting for if you think it might cause dissention in the family, among friends, etc because they vehemently oppose that candidate but not to some stranger calling for a poll.

*"Your": those taking the poll.
 
Stacyhs said:
I don't think so unless your* paranoia runs so deep you think the pollsters are part of the Deep State and polling is just a ruse to call up your employer and say "Your employee is going to vote for Trump".

I can see not wanting to say who you're voting for if you think it might cause dissention in the family, among friends, etc because they vehemently oppose that candidate but not to some stranger calling for a poll.

*"Your": those taking the poll.
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I recieve Facebook posts daily describing how the expectation to wear face masks is a conspiracy to rob us of our freedoms.
There are people getting fired and doxed for expressing opinions contrary to the current zeitgeist (as in the link)
It is not a stretch to expect a fair number of Trump supporters feel intimidated into not sharing their support with anyone.
I am most definitely not a Trump supporter- yet if I were there is no way I would put out a Trump/Pence sign in front of my home in the neighborhood in which I live.
 
Distracted1 said:
I recieve Facebook posts daily describing how the expectation to wear face masks is a conspiracy to rob us of our freedoms.
There are people getting fired and doxed for expressing opinions contrary to the current zeitgeist (as in the link)
It is not a stretch to expect a fair number of Trump supporters feel intimidated into not sharing their support with anyone.
I am most definitely not a Trump supporter- yet if I were there is no way I would put out a Trump/Pence sign in front of my home in the neighborhood in which I live.
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When will white conservatives finally catch a break in this country?
 
It is fascinating that being labeled a Racist seems to be worse for plenty Americans than being called a Fascist or even Nazi.
 
Distracted1 said:
I recieve Facebook posts daily describing how the expectation to wear face masks is a conspiracy to rob us of our freedoms.
There are people getting fired and doxed for expressing opinions contrary to the current zeitgeist (as in the link)
It is not a stretch to expect a fair number of Trump supporters feel intimidated into not sharing their support with anyone.
I am most definitely not a Trump supporter- yet if I were there is no way I would put out a Trump/Pence sign in front of my home in the neighborhood in which I live.
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I understand that but you seem to be missing my point. We're talking about lying to a stranger on the phone reading from a script who is making hundreds of phone calls a day from a list of anonymous numbers. Additionally, the question wasn't about being scared to say who they're voting for but being too embarrassed to say. I just don't see a significant amount of people lying about it either way.
 
Stacyhs said:
I understand that but you seem to be missing my point. We're talking about lying to a stranger on the phone reading from a script who is making hundreds of phone calls a day from a list of anonymous numbers. Additionally, the question wasn't about being scared to say who they're voting for but being too embarrassed to say. I just don't see a significant amount of people lying about it either way.
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That the threat is not real does not eliminate the perception that it may be.
"anonymous" phone numbers? If someone calls me, they can fairly easily find out who the number belongs to.

**phone rings** "Hello, this is (blank) calling on behalf of ABC polling, I wonder if you might be able to take a few minutes to answer some survey questions.....etc.... Etc..." Could be anyone.
If I had access to your full name or address (in some cases) and felt compelled to do so, it could be me. Not that hard a thing to fake.
 
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Distracted1 said:
That the threat is not real does not eliminate the perception that it may be.
"anonymous" phone numbers? If someone calls me, they can fairly easily find out who the number belongs to.

**phone rings** "Hello, this is (blank) calling on behalf of ABC polling, I wonder if you might be able to take a few minutes to answer some survey questions.....etc.... Etc..." Could be anyone.
If I had access to your full name or address (in some cases) and felt compelled to do so, it could be me. Not that hard a thing to fake.
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Sorry, but this is going down Conspiracy Theory Lane and turning right onto Paranoia Parkway. Wait a minute....hmmmmm....that would fit right in with a lot of Trumpers. But I don't think so many that it would affect polls.
 
Distracted1 said:
That the threat is not real does not eliminate the perception that it may be.
"anonymous" phone numbers? If someone calls me, they can fairly easily find out who the number belongs to.

**phone rings** "Hello, this is (blank) calling on behalf of ABC polling, I wonder if you might be able to take a few minutes to answer some survey questions.....etc.... Etc..." Could be anyone.
If I had access to your full name or address (in some cases) and felt compelled to do so, it could be me. Not that hard a thing to fake.
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Agree!
Do people on a skeptic board really give out personal info to a stranger on the phone just because they ask? Baffling.

I wouldnt answer any of these polls. They would know a lot about you and it is just asking for a bunch of junk mail and solicitations. I get enough of that already just for being registered 'no party preferred'.
People lie. They sell your data. Maybe some here haven't noticed that political views have been weaponized lately for all sorts of things. Low odds for most but why even risk it?

The best answer is to not answer.


*side question: how are they getting people under 50 to even answer a phone?
There are calls that have come into my phone that, if I answer, it just puts me on a list of 'good numbers that answer' and I get sold off to the spam texters.

Maybe all of that predatory behavior aimed at my phone bothers me more than others. :boxedin:
 
Sherkeu said:
Agree!
Do people on a skeptic board really give out personal info to a stranger on the phone just because they ask? Baffling.

I wouldnt answer any of these polls. They would know a lot about you and it is just asking for a bunch of junk mail and solicitations. I get enough of that already just for being registered 'no party preferred'.
People lie. They sell your data. Maybe some here haven't noticed that political views have been weaponized lately for all sorts of things. Low odds for most but why even risk it?

The best answer is to not answer.


*side question: how are they getting people under 50 to even answer a phone?
There are calls that have come into my phone that, if I answer, it just puts me on a list of 'good numbers that answer' and I get sold off to the spam texters.

Maybe all of that predatory behavior aimed at my phone bothers me more than others. :boxedin:
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The subject is getting changed here. I'm not talking about phone calls asking for personal info. I'm talking about political polls. These ask questions like "Do you agree the country is going in the right direction? A) Strongly agree B) Somewhat agree C) Strongly disagree D) Somewhat disagree" and "Do you plan to vote for the Republican nominee for President? A) Definitely B) Maybe C) No."

If you seriously think someone is going to then track down your employer and report your answers, that is full fledged paranoia. If you're too embarrassed to say whom you're voting for, then you need to ask yourself why you think it's embarrassing.

Frankly, I don't answer polls because they're just a pain in the ass and I've better things to do with my time and not because I'm embarrassed by my choices or paranoid the pollster is out to get me.
 
Stacyhs said:
Sorry, but this is going down Conspiracy Theory Lane and turning right onto Paranoia Parkway. Wait a minute....hmmmmm....that would fit right in with a lot of Trumpers. But I don't think so many that it would affect polls.
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Imagine that. Might even cause them to give a false answer.

What was that original claim that started this sidebar again....?
 
Stacyhs said:
The subject is getting changed here. I'm not talking about phone calls asking for personal info. I'm talking about political polls. These ask questions like "Do you agree the country is going in the right direction? A) Strongly agree B) Somewhat agree C) Strongly disagree D) Somewhat disagree" and "Do you plan to vote for the Republican nominee for President? A) Definitely B) Maybe C) No."

If you seriously think someone is going to then track down your employer and report your answers, that is full fledged paranoia. If you're too embarrassed to say whom you're voting for, then you need to ask yourself why you think it's embarrassing.

Frankly, I don't answer polls because they're just a pain in the ass and I've better things to do with my time and not because I'm embarrassed by my choices or paranoid the pollster is out to get me.
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For some, who they plan to vote for is personal information.

And of course, one could be certain that the poll is anonymous. After all, they say it is.
 
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Sherkeu said:
Agree!
Do people on a skeptic board really give out personal info to a stranger on the phone just because they ask? Baffling.

I wouldnt answer any of these polls. They would know a lot about you and it is just asking for a bunch of junk mail and solicitations. I get enough of that already just for being registered 'no party preferred'.
People lie. They sell your data. Maybe some here haven't noticed that political views have been weaponized lately for all sorts of things. Low odds for most but why even risk it?

The best answer is to not answer.


*side question: how are they getting people under 50 to even answer a phone?
There are calls that have come into my phone that, if I answer, it just puts me on a list of 'good numbers that answer' and I get sold off to the spam texters.

Maybe all of that predatory behavior aimed at my phone bothers me more than others. :boxedin:
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Or give the answer that is less likely to draw the attention of the thought police.
 
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