arthwollipot
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Well that was unenlightening.
Split Thread Tearing Down Statues Associated With Racial Injustice
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I’m confused re the OP. Are any statutes being pulled down in the movie?
smartcooky
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I doubt it.
A number of William Parcher's posts of late have had an air of "throw as much irrelevant **** as possible at the wall and see how much of it will stick". It has become tiresome.
This is either Mr Parcher beginning to show his true colours, or some attempt at jokes or being funny. If the latter, I'm afraid the humour escapes me. If the former, then we might soon expect a Trumpian "I was only joking" claim!
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Just in case your tongue was not completely in cheek:
In addition to statue-pulling, this thread has at times diverged into removal of other elements perceived as racist from society, such as Uncle Ben from the rice box.
One such element is the Disney movie "Song of the South", which is apparently racist. That movie was used as a theme for the Splash Mountain rides at Disneyland and Disney World. Disney has announced that they will be retheming those rides with the Princess and the Frog, which features an African American lead character.
So, the world is a better place.
Why? Well, I haven't seen either movie. I can't help but note, though, that "Song of the South" is based on folk tales that originated in Africa. The Princess and the Frog, on the other hand, is based on folk tales that originated in Europe. (That, and the imagery used, is what William was getting at.) There is a weak African connection to the Princess movie because the magic in the latter film is all Voodoo magic. One wonders whether the practitioners of Voudon might say that the depiction of their religion is racist, but that's not important.
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Doghouse Reilly
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I just watched Song of the South because of all the talk about it lately. My verdict is that it isn't racist at all, in fact the complete opposite. The bullies in the story are white, and the black child and the black man are the heroes. As far as I can tell, people just say it's racist because the black characters aren't shown as wallowing in misery and despair even though they're living in the Reconstruction era South. But they're shown as toiling away in the fields and living frugally and without a lot of wealth.
And as you said, the stories are all based on African/African-American folk tales. Kind of weird that this Disneyland change will actually be removing actual African stories from the park and replacing them with a European tale where blacks were just kind of shoved in. I actually thought it was a pretty good movie, with absolutely no derogatory portrayals of any of the black characters, and plenty of derogatory portrayals of some white characters. I'm actually quite shocked after viewing it that it's considered so horribly racist. If you'd like to see for yourself and form your own opinions, here's a high quality copy you can stream:
https://archive.org/details/SongOfTheSouthHD
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I was sure of the contrary
Joking, I make no illusions about you (or others here for that matter) in this respect. How are you or the others alluded different from the Stalinist-like progressive opinion-makers who are crying 'bigotry!' ab initio, summarily executing the perceived enemy for all sort of, mostly imaginary, 'hate-crimes'? Not very different I'm afraid, from my own experience here. No, I'm not the 'extreme right'' abuser (exactly how Slavoj Zizek is still a sort of Marxist even if he criticizes political correctness). You may think you are the defender of who knows what kind of enlightened form of progressivism but you are in fact only the typical rank-and-file carrier of the same core message spread by the extremist wing which is in firm control of the future of this movement today.In other order of ideas the transition from the universalism promoted by the old version of liberal-progressivism* to the racial, minority based (even here only the officially recognized minorities by the progressives), approach which created the culture of grievance of today was a massive betrayal to the idea of progressivism. Indeed when the whole enterprise is based on the alleged inherent racism of the whites as a sort of original sin, the complete rejection of the importance of European culture in the making of modernity (in reality not all cultures are almost equal contributors here), the severe erosion of free speech etc we should not be surprised if the reverse will actually happen at some point in the future, progressivism itself one of the victims of the Revolution with all costs of today.
It’s easy to paint even the most reasonable positions as ‘racism’ unfortunately this is never a real solution.
* focused on all persons, having the individual at the base not groups, still perfectly capable to defend the rights of minorities
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Meanwhile in Sweden the Prime Minister has staunchly defended statues and monuments to vile racist monsters like Carl LinnaeusWP, of whose research a tiny insignificant portion covered the supposed racial differences between different groups of people and thus "Contributed to white Europeans getting the idea that they were the superior race and was used as a basis and explanation to dehumanize blacks and browns, colonization, raiding".
Emily's Cat
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I was sure of the contrary
In other order of ideas the transition from the universalism promoted by the old version of liberal-progressivism* to the racial, minority based (even here only the officially recognized minorities by the progressives), approach which created the culture of grievance of today was a massive betrayal to the idea of progressivism. Indeed when the whole enterprise is based on the alleged inherent racism of the whites as a sort of original sin, the complete rejection of the importance of European culture in the making of modernity (in reality not all cultures are almost equal contributors here), the severe erosion of free speech etc we should not be surprised if the reverse will actually happen at some point in the future, progressivism itself one of the victims of the Revolution with all costs of today.
It’s easy to paint even the most reasonable positions as ‘racism’ unfortunately this is never a real solution.
* focused on all persons, having the individual at the base not groups, still perfectly capable to defend the rights of minorities
FWIW, your style of writing is a bit difficult to parse. I am fairly certain I followed what you were trying to say, but it took me a few reads.
May I ask if english is a second language for you, by chance?
Emily's Cat
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That seems like an awful lot of really good babies to be tossing out with the bathwater.
smartcooky
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I was sure of the contrary
In other order of ideas the transition from the universalism promoted by the old version of liberal-progressivism* to the racial, minority based (even here only the officially recognized minorities by the progressives), approach which created the culture of grievance of today was a massive betrayal to the idea of progressivism. Indeed when the whole enterprise is based on the alleged inherent racism of the whites as a sort of original sin, the complete rejection of the importance of European culture in the making of modernity (in reality not all cultures are almost equal contributors here), the severe erosion of free speech etc we should not be surprised if the reverse will actually happen at some point in the future, progressivism itself one of the victims of the Revolution with all costs of today.
It’s easy to paint even the most reasonable positions as ‘racism’ unfortunately this is never a real solution.
* focused on all persons, having the individual at the base not groups, still perfectly capable to defend the rights of minorities
Speak English please!
You're posting on an internet forum, not writing a thesis summary for your PhD in Philosophy!
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arthwollipot
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Well there are a lot of words here, but best I can make out is that you're saying that the BLM protestors are commies.I was sure of the contrary
In other order of ideas the transition from the universalism promoted by the old version of liberal-progressivism* to the racial, minority based (even here only the officially recognized minorities by the progressives), approach which created the culture of grievance of today was a massive betrayal to the idea of progressivism. Indeed when the whole enterprise is based on the alleged inherent racism of the whites as a sort of original sin, the complete rejection of the importance of European culture in the making of modernity (in reality not all cultures are almost equal contributors here), the severe erosion of free speech etc we should not be surprised if the reverse will actually happen at some point in the future, progressivism itself one of the victims of the Revolution with all costs of today.
It’s easy to paint even the most reasonable positions as ‘racism’ unfortunately this is never a real solution.
* focused on all persons, having the individual at the base not groups, still perfectly capable to defend the rights of minorities
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I'm pretty sure there's no intent to quash the story of the "importance" of European culture* in the journey to modernity.
A lot of people just would prefer we tell the real version.
The sanitized version is the one that attempts to silence truth.
* what is European culture, exactly? Be sure to get a broad range of opinions, good luck with finding any consistent threads.
A lot of people just would prefer we tell the real version.
The sanitized version is the one that attempts to silence truth.
* what is European culture, exactly? Be sure to get a broad range of opinions, good luck with finding any consistent threads.
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It's a thoroughly racist culture just like America. But it doesn't really look that way because the body count is so incredibly lower than America. That is because Europe mostly doesn't do guns. They've got almost everything else including bombs that they make themselves. But you can't actually see the truly terrifying situation that would ensue if everyone has a gun or has easy access to a gun. All you can see is what can be done when your weaponry is anything except a gun.
Europeans are lucky that they don't have the gun situation like we have here. But we at least have to have millions of guns on the streets so that black people can defend themselves against black people and occasionally or rarely against white people. You cannot take the guns out of the hood or there will be murders like you cannot even begin to contemplate. Entire black gangs are slaughtered like fish in a barrel only because their guns were all taken away before they were taken from their rival black gang. And the summary execution of these black lives would begin instantly after a black gang loses its guns.
In the most insane twist of irony, you have to actually leave all the guns in BLACKGANGLAND in order to actually save black lives. WTF? is the only thing left to say.
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Dave Rogers
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Bristol pub named after Colston to be renamed Pubby McDrunkface. Don't let anyone tell you we're not taking this seriously in the South West
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...named-ye-olde-pubby-mcdrunkface-a9594406.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...named-ye-olde-pubby-mcdrunkface-a9594406.html
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Interestingly that pub refused to segregate black and white soldiers during WWII
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-32681824
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Oh, that's quite a popular pub on the real ale trails, and have drunk there several times. Not sure I'd have been put off if I had known the story behind the name, but glad they're changing it
SpitfireIX
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WW2 Training Film for US Soldiers How to Behave in Britain:
Just after the 25-minute mark there's a scene where an older English lady invites both a white soldier and a colored soldier to tea, after which the white soldier, who's also the narrator, turns to the camera and explains that "there are less social restrictions in this country."
Those of the British persuasion might find other parts of the film amusing as well, particularly at about 7:45 where an obnoxious American soldier makes an ass of himself in a pub.
dudalb
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WW2 Training Film for US Soldiers How to Behave in Britain:
Just after the 25-minute mark there's a scene where an older English lady invites both a white soldier and a colored soldier to tea, after which the white soldier, who's also the narrator, turns to the camera and explains that "there are less social restrictions in this country."
Those of the British persuasion might find other parts of the film amusing as well, particularly at about 7:45 where an obnoxious American soldier makes an ass of himself in a pub.
Great story about how one English Women when asked about the Yanks, siad, "Most of t hem are nice, polite people, but we could do without the Whtie ones".