Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

[EHocking]

Behind a gun death there is living body making a decision to utilize that gun and ammunition. Where does your comment fit in regarding my statement?

Viruses don’t kill people, people with viruses kill people.
The only thing that stops a bad man with a virus is a good man with a virus.

Not terribly catchy.
I think I’ll leave in the unintended pun.

 

[eerok]

Viruses do not cause death.

You forgot the punchline.

 

[beachnut]

You may wish to delve into the world of microbiology instead of showing your lack of knowledge with a lame response. By the way, the attempt at humor is childish and does not address the statement.

[BS] the cause of the 737 MAX was pilot error. The design problem in the 737 MAX caused a slow speed runaway trim the pilots failed to comprehend.

Which is the cause of the death of the passengers? oh yes, high speed impact, not pilot error because the idiots had 40 seconds to fix runaway trim (an emergency in my aircraft which I had 3 to 6 seconds to fix or die), or the flaw in the 737 MAX trim system, but high speed impact...

Got it, ignore the flu was a cause and play BS, with BS.

Remember, the passengers did not die to the pilot error, and 737 Max design flaw, the cause was massive trauma, high g impact...

Now that is so ... a lot of "or what" [/BS]

based on cause analysis, the flu is a cause of death, but feel free to school me on cause, I was not that good at cause when I did aircraft accident investigation... so explain why flu is not a cause, and why

okay
Hypothesis: Cause flu resulted in the effect that led to my Uncles death in 1918 flu... Absence of cause flu will result in absence of effect that led to my Uncle's death...

Test, Remove cause flu...

If effect causing my uncles death still happens then cause flu cannot be a "cause" of the effect that my uncle died from...

OOPS, he died from cause flu resulting in the effect that killed my uncle - flu was a cause of death - you have no clue what cause is...

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Just where did you dig up this nonsense?

ETA
Here is a list of twelve of them.
https://www.livescience.com/56598-deadliest-viruses-on-earth.html

And those are just viruses that kill humans. There are many more that kill plants and animals.

I'll second that question: Where did you dig up that nonsense, No Other?

 

[MortFurd]

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Since no one has bought this up, it's interesting to note that the 1975 British TV series 'Surviviors', set in the aftermath of a devastating viral outbreak had a title sequence implying that the illness resulted from the accidental release of a bioweapon under development by the Chinese!
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The novel "I am Legend" from 1954 has Robert Neville (the central character in the story) speculate that the disease that killed everyone and created the undead was a virus that originated in bats in Asia, and that he was immune because he was exposed to a similar virus from a bat on an island in the Pacific during World War II.

 

[No Other]

[BS] the cause of the 737 MAX was pilot error. The design problem in the 737 MAX caused a slow speed runaway trim the pilots failed to comprehend.

Which is the cause of the death of the passengers? oh yes, high speed impact, not pilot error because the idiots had 40 seconds to fix runaway trim (an emergency in my aircraft which I had 3 to 6 seconds to fix or die), or the flaw in the 737 MAX trim system, but high speed impact...

Got it, ignore the flu was a cause and play BS, with BS.

Remember, the passengers did not die to the pilot error, and 737 Max design flaw, the cause was massive trauma, high g impact...

Now that is so ... a lot of "or what" [/BS]

based on cause analysis, the flu is a cause of death, but feel free to school me on cause, I was not that good at cause when I did aircraft accident investigation... so explain why flu is not a cause, and why

okay
Hypothesis: Cause flu resulted in the effect that led to my Uncles death in 1918 flu... Absence of cause flu will result in absence of effect that led to my Uncle's death...

Test, Remove cause flu...

If effect causing my uncles death still happens then cause flu cannot be a "cause" of the effect that my uncle died from...

OOPS, he died from cause flu resulting in the effect that killed my uncle - flu was a cause of death - you have no clue what cause is...

Sorry about your Uncle's passing but in 1918 medical classifications were not standardized. Still, "Flu" was not what killed your Uncle.

Viruses do not kill; they can be and are an underlying contributor to death but it will not be in the top 2 lines (a and b) on the International Form of Medical Certificate of Cause of Death. There are two things that a virus can do within a person.

1. Multiply
2. Kill a cell if it's exit is via lysis.

How your body reacts to this unwanted virus is determined by each person's immune system. People who have compromised immune systems will fare worse than healthy immune systems. This is why the median age of Covid-19 related fatalities in the USA is 75 years of age. Yet, these draconian measures have only adverse affects on all the population.

 

[No Other]

And those are just viruses that kill humans. There are many more that kill plants and animals.

I'll second that question: Where did you dig up that nonsense, No Other?

People are conflating cause of death and a contributor to death. In the Covid-19 situation, the Covid is a strand of RNA... nothing more. It enters people systems via air transmission and the most delicate entrance are the eyes (why we are told to wear face masks and not goggles is beyond me)... then it starts multiplying. Viruses do not want their host to die because they too can die with that outcome. Why people die with Covid has to do with how their system reacts to the viruses presence. Viruses will hijack a cell for purposes of reproducing via the cell's DNA, it will escape from the cell and find other ones for additional reproduction... the virus only mechanism is reproduction and it needs a host for that purpose.

This particular virus likes the respiratory system and blood; it will focus on those areas and that is when the trouble begins. How a person reacts is problem; compromised immune systems will accelerate as it allows a virus to run without as much interference as a healthy one. The "typical" cause of death could be "acute respiratory distress syndrome" due to "pneumonia" with "Covid-19" being third in line within this string. It is like: alcoholism does not kill BUT you can have "alcohol related" deaths.

This may sound like semantics and nick picky but this is at the very underlying reason for restrictions put on the world.

Dr. Deborah Birx stated that if a person dies and that person tested positive for Covid-19, that death will be classified as a Covid-19 death EVEN if the person had terminal cancer.

 

[bknight]

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Viruses do not kill; they can be and are an underlying contributor to death but it will not be in the top 2 lines (a and b) on the International Form of Medical Certificate of Cause of Death. There are two things that a virus can do within a person.

No, the wording that I read is to list in section 2.

Other significant conditions contributing to death

And that would be viruses.

1. Multiply
2. Kill a cell if it's exit is via lysis.

How your body reacts to this unwanted virus is determined by each person's immune system. People who have compromised immune systems will fare worse than healthy immune systems. This is why the median age of Covid-19 related fatalities in the USA is 75 years of age. Yet, these draconian measures have only adverse affects on all the population.

You choose a poor restrictive definition of the cause of death i.e. listing on a death certificate.

 

[No Other]

Because nobody ever died from a bullet. They all died from COMPLICATIONS CAUSED BY GUNSHOT.

Just like nobody dies from cancer, they die from complications caused by cancer.

You've bought into a BS line of argument based on splitting non-existent hairs, and you're the only one who can't see it.

Nobody died from NOT being shot.

Nobody dies from complications from cancer if they don't get cancer.

Nobody dies from COVID-19 or the flu if they don't contract it.

You are correct in your comment regarding the gunshot wound. The string of causation my look like this: Hypovolaemic shock caused by Aortic dissection due to gun shot wound.

Where you are incorrect is saying this is splitting non-existent hairs. This classification approach that the doctors are following is totally different from what was done prior to Covid-19. The WHO came out in April of this year and provided a guideline on how to report Covid-19 related deaths. What WHO did was to rewrite the rules while this is in process instead of prior.

By the way, if you wish to have a confrontational argument, I will not participate. My post(s) are not intended for that purpose but if you care to move this forward with a different opinion... I am all in. Thx

 

[No Other]

No, the wording that I read is to list in section 2.

And that would be viruses.

You choose a poor restrictive definition of the cause of death i.e. listing on a death certificate.

This was not my definition it was the WHO example.

 

[bknight]

This was not my definition it was the WHO example.

You picked one to be your definition, though. Did it cover all cases of death? Did you research that before making an assumption?

 

[Trebuchet]

"Viruses kill people" and "Viruses cause conditions that kill people" is a distinction without a difference. Juvenile sophistry, at best.

 

[carlitos]

et, these draconian measures have only adverse affects on all the population.

Nope. Flattening the curve, allowing hospitals capacity to do elective procedures this summer, preventing unnecessary deaths while we figure out treatments, etc. etc. etc. None of what I listed were "adverse" effects; they were all positive effects of the "draconian" lockdown.

 

[No Other]

Nope. Flattening the curve, allowing hospitals capacity to do elective procedures this summer, preventing unnecessary deaths while we figure out treatments, etc. etc. etc. None of what I listed were "adverse" effects; they were all positive effects of the "draconian" lockdown.

Since you brought up "flattening" of the curve... flattening of a curve extends the problem. Many thought we should be out of it by now but that became mathematically impossible due to flattening. You gain in one area at the expense of another.

 

[No Other]

"Viruses kill people" and "Viruses cause conditions that kill people" is a distinction without a difference. Juvenile sophistry, at best.

There is a distinct difference.

 

[Dr.Sid]

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[Trebuchet]

Yet, these draconian measures have only adverse affects on all the population.

Death is apparently not an adverse effect.
Not an "affect", either, which is a verb.

Edited by zooterkin: 

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Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.

 

[beachnut]

Sorry about your Uncle's passing but in 1918 medical classifications were not standardized. Still, "Flu" was not what killed your Uncle.

Viruses do not kill; they can be and are an underlying contributor to death but it will not be in the top 2 lines (a and b) on the International Form of Medical Certificate of Cause of Death. There are two things that a virus can do within a person.

1. Multiply
2. Kill a cell if it's exit is via lysis.

How your body reacts to this unwanted virus is determined by each person's immune system. People who have compromised immune systems will fare worse than healthy immune systems. This is why the median age of Covid-19 related fatalities in the USA is 75 years of age. Yet, these draconian measures have only adverse affects on all the population.

you still can't comprehend cause, and flu caused my uncles death in 1918 - and you don't do cause

Try harder next time

 

[eerok]

Since you brought up "flattening" of the curve... flattening of a curve extends the problem.

What problem? You said that virus doesn't kill people, so we can all run around licking doorknobs and coughing on strangers. Who cares, as long as we're having fun.

 

[Aridas]

(why we are told to wear face masks and not goggles is beyond me)

To poke only at this, just because - the recommendations for wearing face masks are about protecting OTHERS, not yourself. Cloth masks have a significant effect when it comes to helping to prevent an infected person from spreading the water droplet virus carriers, whether they're showing symptoms or not, and were largely pushed more heavily in the US after it was found that the infected people spread the virus before symptoms develop, much of the time. If everyone were to wear masks, in short, the spread should be dramatically reduced.