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Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

Vixen said:
Do you really think a CIA agent would need to ask for the keys - digital or plastic - from a lowly prison warden?
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How do you expect they would get the keys if not by asking the people that have them?
 
Mycroft said:
How do you expect they would get the keys if not by asking the people that have them?
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It's the CIA.

They just pull out a device, about cigarette packet sized, in brushed metal, and it clamps to the lock magnetically. Push a button and it emits a faint beeping while a screen on the front shows an x-ray view of the lock internals moving. After a few seconds there's a satisfying 'clack' and the door swings open.

This is basic spy stuff.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
It's the CIA.

They just pull out a device, about cigarette packet sized, in brushed metal, and it clamps to the lock magnetically. Push a button and it emits a faint beeping while a screen on the front shows an x-ray view of the lock internals moving. After a few seconds there's a satisfying 'clack' and the door swings open.

This is basic spy stuff.
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I think they had to develop this as a fail-safe, in case Trump accidentally locks himself into his bunker.
 
Mycroft said:
How do you expect they would get the keys if not by asking the people that have them?
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Once upon a time in the early 90s(?) on USENET I was told that the CIA controlled all the lock makers in the world and they provided a spare key to them of 'every lock ever made'. I always wondered about the storage - and organization - of that key storage space - about the size of a small city I would think.
 
Hans said:
Once upon a time in the early 90s(?) on USENET I was told that the CIA controlled all the lock makers in the world and they provided a spare key to them of 'every lock ever made'. I always wondered about the storage - and organization - of that key storage space - about the size of a small city I would think.
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You don't need a key, just a butterknife.
 
LondonJohn said:
1) The British internal security services (MI5 and GCHQ) without doubt need a warrant, signed off either by a district judge (or higher judge) or a chief constable, in order to conduct electronic communications surveillance on any private individual(s). End of.

2) The FBI and Secret Service without doubt also need high-level judicial or PD oversight in order to conduct electronic communications surveillance on any private individual(s). (Oh and the CIA doesn't operate within the US - just one more example of your woeful research and analysis "skills"....).

3) The level of conspiracy that would have had to be involved for a government/law enforcement individual (or team) to successfully get all the way - through multiple secured and monitored barriers - into Epstein's cell, kill him in a way which exactly mirrored the effects of a suicide, and successfully get out again the same way..... all without being seen by any third parties or captured on any surveillance monitors...... is so widespread as to be practically unworkable.

4) There is, quite simply, zero credible, reliable evidence that Epstein's death was anything other than the suicide of a man who knew very well that he would never again see the outside world.

5) I'm fully prepared to believe that the (relatively low-paid and low-grade) warders and other correctional officers who were responsible for Epstein during his incarceration a) failed in their duty to ensure that Epstein did not have the means at his disposal to kill himself relatively easily; and/or b) failed in their duty to monitor Epstein carefully, with a particular emphasis on minimising his opportunity to kill himself. But of course those are very different things indeed from any conspiracy theories.

6) It's (or rather, it was) Bear Stearns.
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Do keep up to date. Ever since 2012:


"Email and web use 'to be monitored' under new laws
1 April 2012"

The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.
Internet firms will be required to give intelligence agency GCHQ access to communications on demand, in real time.

The Home Office says the move is key to tackling crime and terrorism, but civil liberties groups have criticised it.
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LondonJohn said:
Hello strawman my old frienddddddddd,
I've got to suffer you againnnnnn

What he was alluding to was the fact that you offered a bet on certain terms (that "we will never hear from Ghislaine Maxwell ever again"), then Carlitos accepted the bet, then you changed the terms of the bet.
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In which way?
 
LondonJohn said:
Hello strawman my old frienddddddddd,
I've got to suffer you againnnnnn

What he was alluding to was the fact that you offered a bet on certain terms (that "we will never hear from Ghislaine Maxwell ever again"), then Carlitos accepted the bet, then you changed the terms of the bet.
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To be thorough, after the "No" from Vixen, and the terms were changed, I literally said "that's a hard pass from me then" meaning "I pass on this bet" ergo there is no bet. To them come back trolling five months later as if there were an active bet is delusional, but par for the course when one is writing fiction / doing performance art on the internet. I don't expect much better behavior out of this one.
 
Vixen said:
Do keep up to date. Ever since 2012:


"Email and web use 'to be monitored' under new laws
1 April 2012"
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Once again (it's getting rather commonplace, this...) the quote you're using doesn't say what you think it says.

The security services (and police) still need senior judicial or constabulary permission to access electronic communications such as emails, texts, mobile calls etc. They need to provide reasonable grounds for such intercepts, and only if the judge or senior police officer is satisfied will an intercept order be granted and signed off.

The article you're quoting is saying nothing more than that a) the security services etc will have the ability to intercept these types of things in the future, and b) the network and service operators who handle these sorts of electronic communications will be required to allow access to the security services etc on demand. But that demand will only happen following a successful application for an intercept order.

I know what I'm talking about. It's manifestly clear that you do not.
 
Vixen said:
Evidence for what? See above. In addition, it is common knowledge that the cctv cameras around Epstein's cell were not working during the hours of his death.
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Your silly little game of abandoning this thread for a few days (I saw you participating in other threads with LOTS of posts) then come back and act like you have amnesia is not convincing anyone. It's massively dishonest.

Go back, read our last conversation, then deliver the evidence you were asked for.
 
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Hans said:
Once upon a time in the early 90s(?) on USENET I was told that the CIA controlled all the lock makers in the world and they provided a spare key to them of 'every lock ever made'. I always wondered about the storage - and organization - of that key storage space - about the size of a small city I would think.
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At the SFOD-D compound at Ft. Bragg there is rumored to be a wall of locks of every stripe, and the operators are taught to pick every one of them. Some of them do it for time.

You don't need a key for a standard lock.

Electronic locks are a little more complicated, but because they're electronic they can be picked as well using the right counter measures.

I doubt the CIA is involved with Epstein's death.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
I think they had to develop this as a fail-safe, in case Trump accidentally locks himself into his bunker.
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Why would they not just leave him in there until he dies of dehydration or starvation?

My money's on dehydration; it would probably take him months to starve to death.
 
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