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Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

Axxman300 said:
No, but the ID Channel did a Jeffrey Epstein night last week.

My problem with this thread and Vixen is that Epstein was a complex individual who was highly intelligent, and charismatic. He began his ascent around the same time the financial world was changing in the early 1980's. Epstein's run-in with SEC put him on the radar of influential money people who saw a creative mind (with balls) at work. Within a few years he was running a financial front though island banks for international money laundering. The sex stuff was an ugly sideshow.
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New information to me, but I'm sure that the program left more questions than it answered.
 
bknight said:
New information to me, but I'm sure that the program left more questions than it answered.
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We're talking about almost 30 years of history. He had friends in high places in every country that counts. Word is that the FBI has a massive file on the guy, and this is the only reason Epstein's case hasn't been quietly closed. We'll be reading about him for the next decade. Until we get a new President he will be back-burnered.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Almost inevitably, Vixen, this is not an adequate answer to RedStapler's post.
Whatever RS may or may not believe about Epstein's death has no bearing at all on your assertion that the British police don't need a warrant to tap your phone and look at your emails and texts.
I will repeat the question: do you have evidence that this assertion is true?
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I didn't say the police, I said the intelligence service. They used to need a warrant from a magistrate to tap into someone's communications on a carte blanche scale.

I was watching the Netflix programme yesterday and it's telling that Epstein was able to get Acosta to go ultra vires to get him off trafficking charges and imbuing him and any conspirators with permanent immunity.

Thankfully, he was successfully challenged but it shows you that people like Epstein could bypass normal process.

His pathologist said there was zero evidence he had thrown himself off his bed (to have achieved the type of strangulation and unusual three-fold fracture of his hyoid bone).

You are naive if you believe there is no way anyone could nip in and finish Epstein off without asking a guard first. Remember, Epstein unusually was in a cell alone and and none of the cctv cameras were working.
 
Axxman300 said:
1. The CIA doesn't have agents. The CIA has officers.

2. Epstein wasn't in a prison, he was in a jail.

3. New York hasn't been part of the British Empire since 1776, so you need a warrant (at least in the days leading to Epstein's suicide.)

4. CIA doesn't operate within the US, plus it had no reason to want Epstein dead. The current President and AG have a history with the man which is largely unexplored. The AG has Federal juice to make things happen in a Federal jail. If there was a conspiracy it came from the current White House.

5. Trump is a moron, conspiracy isn't likely.


From what I've seen they gave him the materials to kill himself and left him to it. Someone experienced in auto-erotic suffocation would know the in's and out's of strangulation. Probably was the first time Epstein choked himself with his pants still up.:thumbsup:
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You say tomato, I say tomahto.

The theory is Maxwell and Epstein were funded by CIA/Mossad and Maxwell is in a safe house in Israel.
 
Axxman300 said:
No, but the ID Channel did a Jeffrey Epstein night last week.

My problem with this thread and Vixen is that Epstein was a complex individual who was highly intelligent, and charismatic. He began his ascent around the same time the financial world was changing in the early 1980's. Epstein's run-in with SEC put him on the radar of influential money people who saw a creative mind (with balls) at work. Within a few years he was running a financial front though island banks for international money laundering. The sex stuff was an ugly sideshow.
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In the Netflix programme, after Epstein left Bear Stearn, having lied on his application form about his qualifications, he went to work with Ponzi crook Stephen Hoffenberg (...sp?) and made a killing for him. Hoffenberg spent time in jail for his activities.

But Epstein didn't get his vast money from being a trader or even as is known from Les Wexner The traders I knew in the City of London were vastly well remunerated but hardly in the Epstein class. The key to Epstein's wealth is surely his relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell whose notorious father, Robert was a strongly active Zionist and was said to have Mossad links.

He came from lowly Czech roots to media mogul.
 
Vixen said:
...To donate to charity of course. I see you are getting nervous at having to cough up.
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I’ll donate plenty to charity this year, but that wouldn’t have anything to do with a bet that we did not make. Go troll somewhere else.
 
Vixen said:
You say tomato, I say tomahto.

The theory is Maxwell and Epstein were funded by CIA/Mossad and Maxwell is in a safe house in Israel.
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Neither the CIA nor Mossad have that kind of money to devote to a single asset.

If you're going to play the Conspiracy Theory game you need to do a better job.
Zev Shalev does a podcast and has a Youtube channel where Epstein has been a frequent subject:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3NmKvE4agxFmOiy35dGBJg/videos

Steve Hoffenberg is a frequent guest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJwXQynjnds

As with all things CT, have an ample supply of salt at hand. Saddly, no Satan.:(
 
carlitos said:
I'll wager you $100 USD straight up that "we" hear from Ms. Maxwell in the media in the next calendar year. I'll put the money in a trust with another member here if you like. Specifically "we" will hear from Ms. Maxwell, speaking in her own words, in the calendar year 2020, as quoted by a major media source or in a court / law enforcement document like an interview or deposition. Or via Ms. Maxwell or one of her associates' social media accounts.
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I skipped a lot of the content here, so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned already:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/business/jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-lawsuit.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-associate-ghislaine-maxwell-sues-his-estate

From the NY Times article:

But Ms. Maxwell has surfaced with a lawsuit against Mr. Epstein’s estate, saying the financier, who died last year, had promised to pay her legal fees for any claims from the dozens of women who say she helped him recruit them to give him massages when they were teenagers.

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In her complaint, Ms. Maxwell, 58, alludes to the once-intimate relationship she had with Mr. Epstein, describing herself as a longtime employee who formed “a legal and special relationship” with him. But the complaint said Ms. Maxwell “had no involvement in or knowledge of Epstein’s alleged misconduct.”

The suit says she “has incurred significant legal fees, personal security costs and other expenses” because of her work for a number of Mr. Epstein’s businesses from 1999 to 2006. Among those tasks, the lawsuit said, was managing Mr. Epstein's homes in the Virgin Islands, New York, Paris, Florida and New Mexico. The suit says she also worked for his C.O.U.Q. Foundation.
 
Vixen said:
I didn't say the police, I said the intelligence service. They used to need a warrant from a magistrate to tap into someone's communications on a carte blanche scale.

I was watching the Netflix programme yesterday and it's telling that Epstein was able to get Acosta to go ultra vires to get him off trafficking charges and imbuing him and any conspirators with permanent immunity.

Thankfully, he was successfully challenged but it shows you that people like Epstein could bypass normal process.

His pathologist said there was zero evidence he had thrown himself off his bed (to have achieved the type of strangulation and unusual three-fold fracture of his hyoid bone).

You are naive if you believe there is no way anyone could nip in and finish Epstein off without asking a guard first. Remember, Epstein unusually was in a cell alone and and none of the cctv cameras were working.
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So........ no evidence. Just the usual "You are naive if you don't believe my assertions". Laughable......
 
Axxman300 said:
Neither the CIA nor Mossad have that kind of money to devote to a single asset.

If you're going to play the Conspiracy Theory game you need to do a better job.
Zev Shalev does a podcast and has a Youtube channel where Epstein has been a frequent subject:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3NmKvE4agxFmOiy35dGBJg/videos

Steve Hoffenberg is a frequent guest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJwXQynjnds

As with all things CT, have an ample supply of salt at hand. Saddly, no Satan.:(
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Did you not see the question mark at the end of the topic title?

Actually early on in the Netflix doc Filthy Rich about Epstein - although there is nothing much in this doc we don't already know - one of the women who went to the police early on, said she began to get threats from Epstein and Maxwell, including the head of a cat and a bullet.

Now why would any normal person send the head of a cat?

The series deals only with Epstein's sexual peccadillos which is what the press are mainly interested in due to its salaciousness.

More deeply concerning is the role played by various world leaders such as Price Andrew (and Charles is also listed in his black book) and Clinton, etc.

This is not some guys at a yacht party enjoying procured sex.
 
Vixen said:
<cluck cluck cluck>
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Vixen, you know that we can all read this thread, right? And you realise that we can all see that a bet was proposed and then turned down by you.

With this haphazard grasp of facts which we can all read right here in this thread, you give us perhaps too much insight into your attitude to factual accuracy.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Vixen, you know that we can all read this thread, right? And you realise that we can all see that a bet was proposed and then turned down by you.

With this haphazard grasp of facts which we can all read right here in this thread, you give us perhaps too much insight into your attitude to factual accuracy.
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I offered to donate to charity instead.
 
Vixen said:
I didn't say the police, I said the intelligence service. They used to need a warrant from a magistrate to tap into someone's communications on a carte blanche scale.

I was watching the Netflix programme yesterday and it's telling that Epstein was able to get Acosta to go ultra vires to get him off trafficking charges and imbuing him and any conspirators with permanent immunity.

Thankfully, he was successfully challenged but it shows you that people like Epstein could bypass normal process.

His pathologist said there was zero evidence he had thrown himself off his bed (to have achieved the type of strangulation and unusual three-fold fracture of his hyoid bone).

You are naive if you believe there is no way anyone could nip in and finish Epstein off without asking a guard first. Remember, Epstein unusually was in a cell alone and and none of the cctv cameras were working.
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1) The British internal security services (MI5 and GCHQ) without doubt need a warrant, signed off either by a district judge (or higher judge) or a chief constable, in order to conduct electronic communications surveillance on any private individual(s). End of.

2) The FBI and Secret Service without doubt also need high-level judicial or PD oversight in order to conduct electronic communications surveillance on any private individual(s). (Oh and the CIA doesn't operate within the US - just one more example of your woeful research and analysis "skills"....).

3) The level of conspiracy that would have had to be involved for a government/law enforcement individual (or team) to successfully get all the way - through multiple secured and monitored barriers - into Epstein's cell, kill him in a way which exactly mirrored the effects of a suicide, and successfully get out again the same way..... all without being seen by any third parties or captured on any surveillance monitors...... is so widespread as to be practically unworkable.

4) There is, quite simply, zero credible, reliable evidence that Epstein's death was anything other than the suicide of a man who knew very well that he would never again see the outside world.

5) I'm fully prepared to believe that the (relatively low-paid and low-grade) warders and other correctional officers who were responsible for Epstein during his incarceration a) failed in their duty to ensure that Epstein did not have the means at his disposal to kill himself relatively easily; and/or b) failed in their duty to monitor Epstein carefully, with a particular emphasis on minimising his opportunity to kill himself. But of course those are very different things indeed from any conspiracy theories.

6) It's (or rather, it was) Bear Stearns.
 
Vixen said:
I offered to donate to charity instead.
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Hello strawman my old frienddddddddd,
I've got to suffer you againnnnnn

What he was alluding to was the fact that you offered a bet on certain terms (that "we will never hear from Ghislaine Maxwell ever again"), then Carlitos accepted the bet, then you changed the terms of the bet.
 
Vixen, will you now play the stale and rancid "I was asked for evidence but I will ignore these requests"-game?
 
Vixen said:
If you are a member of the secret services you can get access to anything. In the UK you no longer even need a warrant to spy on people's emails, phone-calls and texts.

Do you really think a CIA agent would need to ask for the keys - digital or plastic - from a lowly prison warden?
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So how would "they" get the keys?
:rolleyes:
 
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