Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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Stacyhs said:
In that case, perhaps someone should be gracious enough to acknowledge that?
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Sure. Colloquialisms are easy to assume as being a given. That happens.

And I will grant that philosophy has a place at the intellectual table. I have no problem with that. Nevertheless, there is an awful lot of it that is utterly useless. (and I exclude phiwum from that) but there are posters here and elsewhere that will happily philosophise themselves into frozen morbidity. It gets under my skin big time. It is not philosophy itself that I have a problem with, it is those folks that run it on to the level of abject absurdity. That really bakes my noodle.

In any event, apologies if I offended any.
 
abaddon said:
Sure. Colloquialisms are easy to assume as being a given. That happens.

And I will grant that philosophy has a place at the intellectual table. I have no problem with that. Nevertheless, there is an awful lot of it that is utterly useless. (and I exclude phiwum from that) but there are posters here and elsewhere that will happily philosophise themselves into frozen morbidity. It gets under my skin big time. It is not philosophy itself that I have a problem with, it is those folks that run it on to the level of abject absurdity. That really bakes my noodle.

In any event, apologies if I offended any.
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JoeMorgue said:
As loathe as I am to give President Trump the benefit of any doubt, I read it more as Trump claiming the guy was over-selling the shove, like a football/soccer player "flouncing" to draw a card on the other team so to speak.

Which is still all kinds of wrong and even more kinds of beside the point, but that's President Trump in a nutshell, all kinds of wrong and all kinds of beside the point.
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BS.TRump is pushing a kook conspiraby theory, clear and simple.
 
newyorkguy said:
trump's America: The new normal. Voters in Georgia wait on voting lines for hours and complain, "We can't vote!"

"That looks like some kinda kooky protest. Hey! SEND IN THE COPS!"

People are tweeting and messaging social media sites with things like, "Is this a dry run for November?" "Welcome to voter suppression USA-style."

How much longer can this go on? trump really seems to be playing with fire. Do I blame trump? Yes I do. He sets the agenda.
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It will go on until we are ina what amounts to a second Civil War, IMHO. I just don't see a peaceful outcome to this.
 
abaddon said:
Sure. Colloquialisms are easy to assume as being a given. That happens.

And I will grant that philosophy has a place at the intellectual table. I have no problem with that. Nevertheless, there is an awful lot of it that is utterly useless. (and I exclude phiwum from that) but there are posters here and elsewhere that will happily philosophise themselves into frozen morbidity. It gets under my skin big time. It is not philosophy itself that I have a problem with, it is those folks that run it on to the level of abject absurdity. That really bakes my noodle.

In any event, apologies if I offended any.
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I agree there's an awful lot of philosophy that is useless.

I mean, what I'm reading now is arguably useless in that sense, though quite interesting to me. There's a lot of other stuff that I think is worse than useless. It's meaningless twaddle.

I'm sure that I tend to use philosophy style analysis when it's not appropriate here on the forum. It happens. I think the style of philosophy I tend towards is good at training one in critical thinking, but then we use that training looking at issues that most folk don't give a damn about. I don't blame most folk for that. I also don't reckon I owe any explanations for the sort of issues that interest me.

Anyway, no hard feelings. I was mostly puzzled by your post, not really offended.
 
I was looking into this conspiracy theory, and man, all kinds of anti-CT measures make it really hard. Lot's of dead links. What I understand, there is single picture being circulated. No idea where it originated. It's the one with 4 frames on end of this article:

https://www.ibtimes.sg/police-handl...ged-fake-blood-used-claims-social-media-46342

I think it's perfectly possible guy would stage something like that. But is it all based on this one blurry photo ? That's all ? Pathetic.
 
Bob001 said:
Something else to think about: Suppose a couple weeks before the election, Trump announces that a covid vaccination hsd been developed. Trump Saves America!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/opinion/trump-coronavirus-vaccine.html
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Sure, but you're not selling it like Trump would:

I have the most terrific vaccine, it's really a beautiful thing; people are telling me, "Sir, that's the most beautiful vaccine we've ever seen", but I'm the only one who has it and I'm not gonna give it out until after you vote me back in.
 
Dr.Sid said:
I was looking into this conspiracy theory, and man, all kinds of anti-CT measures make it really hard. Lot's of dead links. What I understand, there is single picture being circulated. No idea where it originated. It's the one with 4 frames on end of this article:

https://www.ibtimes.sg/police-handl...ged-fake-blood-used-claims-social-media-46342

I think it's perfectly possible guy would stage something like that. But is it all based on this one blurry photo ? That's all ? Pathetic.
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What is it with CT nuts? The guy was seen by at least one doctor and nurse(s). Are they all in on it, too? You just can't fix stupid.
 
Stacyhs said:
What is it with CT nuts? The guy was seen by at least one doctor and nurse(s). Are they all in on it, too? You just can't fix stupid.
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Well, I haven't seen any medical report about his condition. All mentions about his injuries don't mention who reported it. It's easy to clear any suspicion about that though, and now, when big Orange trumpeted about it, it's likely to happen.
 
phiwum said:
Let us suppose for a moment that Gugino was using police tracking software on his phone. I've no idea how this works, but the story suggests that you point the phone at a radio source and learn the frequency it's using so that your allies can block that frequency. I have no idea if this is feasible or not, but suppose it is and suppose that this is what Gugino was doing when he was pushed.
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Ok then, it is neither feasible nor necessary. A radio scanner will happily search radio frequencies until it finds a transmitting source. It will flip through any number of frequencies until it finds an active one and then lock to it until it stops transmitting at which point it will resume flipping through the frequencies. I own three such units. An aged Tandy, a Bearcat and a Yaesu. Anything transmitted up to 2.5 GHz, I can pick up with ease. They do not require pointing at anything because they are omnidirectional running as they do off helical coil antennae.

To put a concrete example on it, here are some of the frequencies for JFK airport...
JFK Ground 121.650
JFK Ground 121.900
JFK Tower (4L/22R, 13R/31L) 123.900
JFK Tower (4R/22L, 13L/31R) 119.100
TCA (Class B 2000ft/below within 8nm) 125.250

Values in MHz

I can easily program those five into a scanner and it will simply search through all five at speed until one has an active transmission. And then it locks on to that channel.

Now, some enterprising folks have live streamed this so that one doesn't even need the equipment. Those channels can be earwigged live right here on the web. So he could have been streaming it on his phone, but then absolutely not have needed to point his phone either since it would be a web interface. Don't know about you, but I never need to point my phone in any direction for any reason. And it would be legal to do so anyway.

No, what is happening here is exploiting a terminological uncertainty.

Scanning the cops would be a fair description of programming a radio scanner to flick through cop frequencies for a hot transmission. But it certainly does not require being proximate or pointing anything at anyone to achieve that.

No, claiming that he was using his phone to point to antennae or seek police frequencies is utterly bogus. Why? Because phones can't do that and police frequencies are public domain and even if they were not public domain, an actual radio scanner can seek them out anyway.

Bottom line with this baloney excuse is that it is exactly that. Baloney. Seems to me to be the authorities making it up out of whole cloth, because it is not remotely connected to reality.

Then there is the claim that he was attempting to learn the frequencies so that "they" could jam them. Why would he do that given that those frequencies a PD anyway, and even if they were "sekrit" a bog standard radio scanner would lock them in in short order. Without even leaving one's home. Why the **** would anyone need to point a phone at anything for that?

Then there is the jamming being claimed as a motivation. Also a bollocks claim. The transmission frequencies are PD, and once those are known, broadcast a carrier at that frequency, loud. All done.

Still no pointing any phones about required. Hell, I could build one if I wanted. It isn't rocket magic. I used to set it as a project for my students. (A transmitter, not a jammer, but there is not a whole lot of difference) Buckets of fun was had.

Alas, you need not take my word for it, the BBC fact checked him.
https://www.bbc.com/news/52984295

What fun.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Well, I haven't seen any medical report about his condition. All mentions about his injuries don't mention who reported it. It's easy to clear any suspicion about that though, and now, when big Orange trumpeted about it, it's likely to happen.
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He was reported as serious but stable. You won't see his medical report because of HEPA.

If you want the facts:

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...dence-buffalo-protesters-injuries-were-stage/

ETA: I'd bet a month's income these are tweets from foreign online misinformation centers.
 
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phiwum said:
I agree there's an awful lot of philosophy that is useless.

I mean, what I'm reading now is arguably useless in that sense, though quite interesting to me. There's a lot of other stuff that I think is worse than useless. It's meaningless twaddle.

I'm sure that I tend to use philosophy style analysis when it's not appropriate here on the forum. It happens. I think the style of philosophy I tend towards is good at training one in critical thinking, but then we use that training looking at issues that most folk don't give a damn about. I don't blame most folk for that. I also don't reckon I owe any explanations for the sort of issues that interest me.

Anyway, no hard feelings. I was mostly puzzled by your post, not really offended.
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Fair enough.

There is plenty of philosophy out there that, while it strictly has no particular utility, is intellectually engaging in it's own right. I quite like that. It provokes reflection and thought and actually thinking about things. No, it is the pointless cul-de-sac that some philosophy leads to that irritates seven shades out of me. Solipsism springs to mind. It definitionally neither can achieve anything nor wants to.
 
phiwum said:
I was certainly wondering why "pointing" to a radio would matter at all, but I was willing to take the hypothesis as true and see what consequences would follow.



I assume that a typical police "scanner" app is taking data over the usual cell tower. Do phones have hardware to pick up whatever frequencies that police use? Far as I know, I can't listen to (say) FM band on my phone. I presume that phones have hardware to communicate with a cell tower and to receive GPS but nothing else.



I could totally be mistaken, of course.
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Barring recent changes I missed because I don't care...
Radio vehicle comms (LEO, Fire, EMT, Roto Rooter etc.) are a chunk of the public spectrum used by HAMs called the Business Radio spectrum (or some such).
No cell freq use, just good old biz radio freq.
Regarding FM on your cell... my Android phones have both had an FM Radio app included. They need a headphone plugged in to use the cable as an antenna (local reception only, obviously). No WiFi, no cell data usage. Just OTA RF freqs.

/derail
 
abaddon said:
Fair enough.

There is plenty of philosophy out there that, while it strictly has no particular utility, is intellectually engaging in it's own right. I quite like that. It provokes reflection and thought and actually thinking about things. No, it is the pointless cul-de-sac that some philosophy leads to that irritates seven shades out of me. Solipsism springs to mind. It definitionally neither can achieve anything nor wants to.
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Perhaps we can discuss the role of solipsism in philosophy in an appropriate setting. I don't want to continue the derail here.
 
EvilBiker said:
If the theory here is that he’s using a cellphone to scan police frequencies, that’s just utter BS. It’s not possible.



This crossed over the crazy CT theory boundary from the get-go.
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There's nothing magical about those signals, though the dedicated hardware (picture the ubiquitous Motorola vehicle unit) can make scrambling for privacy easy.
But there are a hundred Android apps that let you monitor the publicaly known ones (that's most every one in the Western world) from any cell phone, anywhere.
This isn't spycraft.
 
phiwum said:
Right, plumb forgot WIFI.



Scanners are legal, but I presume trying to block police signals wouldn't be and if a scanner was used for that purpose, there would likely be a law broken by the guy using the scanner as well as the person blocking.



But it doesn't matter much, since the whole theory sounds like nonsense. I reckon you might could have a dongle of some sort that could identify frequencies (which are public knowledge, according to Delphic Oracle), but none of this makes much sense.
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A scanner (monitor) is not a scrambler and no consumer cell phone is equipped with the hardware to transmit in that spectrum.

You can listen, but you can't speak... or jam (with a cell phone). And I'd support prosecuting anyone who did try to jam Emergency Services freqs (Roto Rooter can just take a seat ;) )

I had a measly HAM Tech ticket (for the decade the license lasts) but my flying gave me a "radio telephone operators license". I could buy an Aviation band transciever (never bothered), maybe pub service bands as well (?), and listen all I want, but transmitting from my house would be a misdemeanor (at least) and jamming would be a felony.
 
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