Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

[Redwood]

1) If Epstein was murdered, it was most likely “prison justice.” He wasn’t exactly protected at the very end.

2) If Epstein killed himself, it was an impulsive “**** you” to the system that finally stopped protecting him - a final, irreversible act of obstruction of justice.

No need for “them” to silence him in either scenario.

If Epstein had been murdered, the killer would have had to have a key to his cell. Only a handful of people have such keys. The killer would also have to have had entry to the jail after hours. And there would have to have been a connection between these individuals and a party wanting to see him dead.

Should be fairly simple to research! C'mon, conspiracists! Stop your meme-spreading and start doing some real research! The world awaits your startling revelations!

 

[Redwood]

Here's another person who killed himself while in Federal custody. An especially nasty sort. Let the conspiracy theories begin!

 

[Vixen]

If Epstein had been murdered, the killer would have had to have a key to his cell. Only a handful of people have such keys. The killer would also have to have had entry to the jail after hours. And there would have to have been a connection between these individuals and a party wanting to see him dead.

Should be fairly simple to research! C'mon, conspiracists! Stop your meme-spreading and start doing some real research! The world awaits your startling revelations!

If you are a member of the secret services you can get access to anything. In the UK you no longer even need a warrant to spy on people's emails, phone-calls and texts.

Do you really think a CIA agent would need to ask for the keys - digital or plastic - from a lowly prison warden?

 

[Vixen]

Here's another person who killed himself while in Federal custody. An especially nasty sort. Let the conspiracy theories begin!

I get 'video unavailable'.

 

[Vixen]

Given your miserable track record in trolling BS on this forum, I'm in.

I'll wager you $100 USD straight up that "we" hear from Ms. Maxwell in the media in the next calendar year. I'll put the money in a trust with another member here if you like. Specifically "we" will hear from Ms. Maxwell, speaking in her own words, in the calendar year 2020, as quoted by a major media source or in a court / law enforcement document like an interview or deposition. Or via Ms. Maxwell or one of her associates' social media accounts.

You have six months left. Looking forward to the US$!

 

[RedStapler]

If you are a member of the secret services you can get access to anything. In the UK you no longer even need a warrant to spy on people's emails, phone-calls and texts.

Do you really think a CIA agent would need to ask for the keys - digital or plastic - from a lowly prison warden?

Evidence for all these claims?

 

[Vixen]

Evidence for all these claims?

It's common knowledge. You can just google it. Try GCHQ.

 

[RedStapler]

It's common knowledge. You can just google it. Try GCHQ.

Ok, so no evidence. Thought so.

 

[Vixen]

Ok, so no evidence. Thought so.

?! Seriously?

You believe 'Epstein could not have been bumped off by persons unknown because they would not have been able to get access'.

 

[RedStapler]

?! Seriously?

You believe 'Epstein could not have been bumped off by persons unknown because they would not have been able to get access'.

I believe that you make claims without backing them up.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I believe Epstein had someone kill him, after putting his affairs in order, because suicide is hard and often messy.

That would track with what I sense from the guy, not any special evidence m

 

[TheSupermeerkat]

Here's another person who killed himself while in Federal custody. An especially nasty sort. Let the conspiracy theories begin!

He's not Jewish, or a rich white guy who hung about with beautiful women. I doubt anyone would care enough to invent conspiracy theories about him.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

If you are a member of the secret services you can get access to anything. In the UK you no longer even need a warrant to spy on people's emails, phone-calls and texts.

Do you really think a CIA agent would need to ask for the keys - digital or plastic - from a lowly prison warden?

Evidence for all these claims?

It's common knowledge. You can just google it. Try GCHQ.

Ok, so no evidence. Thought so.

?! Seriously?

You believe 'Epstein could not have been bumped off by persons unknown because they would not have been able to get access'.

Almost inevitably, Vixen, this is not an adequate answer to RedStapler's post.
Whatever RS may or may not believe about Epstein's death has no bearing at all on your assertion that the British police don't need a warrant to tap your phone and look at your emails and texts.
I will repeat the question: do you have evidence that this assertion is true?

 

[carlitos]

How to troll the ISF, badly

I am willing to wager we will never hear from Ghislaine Maxwell ever again.

Given your miserable track record in trolling BS on this forum, I'm in.

I'll wager you $100 USD straight up that "we" hear from Ms. Maxwell in the media in the next calendar year. I'll put the money in a trust with another member here if you like. Specifically "we" will hear from Ms. Maxwell, speaking in her own words, in the calendar year 2020, as quoted by a major media source or in a court / law enforcement document like an interview or deposition. Or via Ms. Maxwell or one of her associates' social media accounts.

No, it has to be a live picture of her getting arrested or interviewed. A press release 'statement' by a PR company is not good enough. I don't gamble so it'll have t be whoever loses makes a donation to a charity.

That's a hard pass from me then.

You have six months left. Looking forward to the US$!

 

[Trebuchet]

Well nuts, I was SO hoping this thread had hung itself in its cell.

 

[Axxman300]

If you are a member of the secret services you can get access to anything. In the UK you no longer even need a warrant to spy on people's emails, phone-calls and texts.

Do you really think a CIA agent would need to ask for the keys - digital or plastic - from a lowly prison warden?

1. The CIA doesn't have agents. The CIA has officers.

2. Epstein wasn't in a prison, he was in a jail.

3. New York hasn't been part of the British Empire since 1776, so you need a warrant (at least in the days leading to Epstein's suicide.)

4. CIA doesn't operate within the US, plus it had no reason to want Epstein dead. The current President and AG have a history with the man which is largely unexplored. The AG has Federal juice to make things happen in a Federal jail. If there was a conspiracy it came from the current White House.

5. Trump is a moron, conspiracy isn't likely.


From what I've seen they gave him the materials to kill himself and left him to it. Someone experienced in auto-erotic suffocation would know the in's and out's of strangulation. Probably was the first time Epstein choked himself with his pants still up.

 

[bknight]

1. The CIA doesn't have agents. The CIA has officers.

2. Epstein wasn't in a prison, he was in a jail.

3. New York hasn't been part of the British Empire since 1776, so you need a warrant (at least in the days leading to Epstein's suicide.)

4. CIA doesn't operate within the US, plus it had no reason to want Epstein dead. The current President and AG have a history with the man which is largely unexplored. The AG has Federal juice to make things happen in a Federal jail. If there was a conspiracy it came from the current White House.

5. Trump is a moron, conspiracy isn't likely.


From what I've seen they gave him the materials to kill himself and left him to it. Someone experienced in auto-erotic suffocation would know the in's and out's of strangulation. Probably was the first time Epstein choked himself with his pants still up.

Did you watch the program on Starz about "Who killed Epstein"? I didn't so I'm no help. I'm sure that there would be no answers and maybe pose new questions, IMO.

 

[Myriad]

Do you really think a CIA agent would need to ask for the keys - digital or plastic - from a lowly prison warden?

Of course not! CIA agents don't need keys. They aren't affected by normal matter.

 

[Hans]

Of course not! CIA agents don't need keys. They aren't affected by normal matter.

They have magical powers

 

[Axxman300]

Did you watch the program on Starz about "Who killed Epstein"? I didn't so I'm no help. I'm sure that there would be no answers and maybe pose new questions, IMO.

No, but the ID Channel did a Jeffrey Epstein night last week.

My problem with this thread and Vixen is that Epstein was a complex individual who was highly intelligent, and charismatic. He began his ascent around the same time the financial world was changing in the early 1980's. Epstein's run-in with SEC put him on the radar of influential money people who saw a creative mind (with balls) at work. Within a few years he was running a financial front though island banks for international money laundering. The sex stuff was an ugly sideshow.