PartSkeptic’s Thread for Predictions and Other Matters of Interest

[varwoche]

You could change the world if you could prove your claim with the ever-so-simple test that's been proposed.

God needs to choose messengers who aren't so damn lazy. Excuses, excuses and more excuses. Dogs, homework, etc.

 

[ferd burfle]

There are increases in other diseases. Diseases once seen in older people are being seen in younger people. Cancer and heart attacks. And new and novel forms of cancer. One can blame modern stress but is EMF a factor?

As Eric Idle:

"Did the dinosaurs build Stonehenge? We don't know. We just don't know"

 

[p0lka]

At such low values there is little doubt I would be able to sense the WiFi. If I do the test, then I will know. Why should I share with people who want to find reason to negate the test?

Please do the test.
For me personally, I go where the evidence leads and if you actually can detect when wifi is on or not after 15 minutes, then that's an intriguing line to pursue.

 

[mgardner]

29/09/2019
One communication (with confirmatory events following it) was that there will soon be a big reduction in population. God will not let humankind destroy the world he has made. "Soon" meaning in time to make a difference.

Here's a link to the rate at which the human population is increasing. Do you think the coronavirus will make a significant dent in that?

30/09/2019
God only intervenes for small personal requests ...

These last interventions can different forms. One is that he can do nothing to prevent a pandemic like the Black Plague....

special pleading to set up a non-falsifiable hypothesis. None of this is a testable prediction.

At the moment, we are overdue for a global pandemic. Why has it not happened? ..... cell phone radiation degrading immune systems, increasing infertility and leading to a lower life expectancy.

What is your evidence that cell phone radiation degrades immune systems? What is your evidence that there is more infertility or lower life expectancies?
All of this is way to vague to form a testable prediction.

In order for the thinning to take place, people must not realize the danger. ... by telling others that cell phones are quite safe and that those who claim otherwise are nutters.

Not a testable prediciton

...my prediction. I said God told me that the overpopulation would be solved with a massive die-off. I ... pandemic would be contained so it could not achieve a 60% die-off. ... silent unnoticed infection that would decrease immune systems so that both pandemics and ordinary illnesses would kill people off.

You're nearing a testable prediction here, but you need to set a date when you expect this to happen by, or your hypothesis is still non-falsifiable.
Here's more information on that.
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It has the added factor of increasing mutation in pathogens because it DOES cause DNA breaks via increased ion channel stress and reactive oxygen species. Scientifically proven.

You're going to need to provide some evidence of that beyond your word.

How's that for a prediction.

terrible.

 

[mgardner]

The bottom line is that cell towers are very bad, cell phone use should be minimized and WiFi should not be used unless necessary.

My symptoms. ....

My wife had similar symptoms ...
Our dogs ...
The neighbours ...
Our grandson ...

The neurologist said a patient who was getting sick

A 17 year old
A nearby tower had a couple

Our symptoms h

On three occasions I have

My wife and I

This is all anecdotal evidence, and all of these people you mention have different symptoms. All you're saying is that in a given area, some people will get sick and we already knew that. I could do a similar "study" of people who drive red cars and I would find that some of them got cancer, some of them had a dog who was sad, and some of them had tinnitus. That wouldn't mean that red cars make people sick.

 

[PartSkeptic]

You could change the world if you could prove your claim with the ever-so-simple test that's been proposed.

God needs to choose messengers who aren't so damn lazy. Excuses, excuses and more excuses. Dogs, homework, etc.

You know that drinking radium is harmful. You have a bunch of people who say "Prove it - drink some". Ten randomized trials.

Would you do it? What excuses do you have?

I already know that emfs are harmful, and that my test will work. I would do them if I had observers who had the proper credentials so they would be believed. On this forum I am told I am a liar. That would be the standard response.

 

[PartSkeptic]

The world is over-populated. This leads to a fight for resources. It leads to people grouping together to fight other groups.

Two clear examples are:
The rich get richer.
People practice xenophobia and racism.

I stated that the pandemic would result in social unrest. Racism may be a trigger but the result shows an underlying unrest.

The unrest will cause a spike in cases.

If the hurricane season is bad, that will only make things worse in the USA. Babies are not getting vaccinated. More death.

It just needs an earthquake to make a real mess of things.

And how is humankind dealing with over-population? With politicians asking for more babies. Stupid.

 

[Pixel42]

You know that drinking radium is harmful. You have a bunch of people who say "Prove it - drink some". Ten randomized trials.

Would you do it? What excuses do you have?

The excuse that everyone knows drinking radium is fatal. That's why millions of people do not spend all day every day drinking radium. Millions of people do spend all day every day sitting in a room with the wifi enabled. I'm doing so right now, and have been doing so for years.

Honestly, PS, this is the most pathetic argument yet. What on Earth are you afraid of? For the cost of a couple of hours discomfort you get the benefit of proving you were right all along. What are you waiting for?

I already know that emfs are harmful, and that my test will work.

If you really knew that you would not hesitate to do it to prove us all wrong. The only reason to not do it is that you secretly suspect the test would not work.

I would do them if I had observers who had the proper credentials so they would be believed. On this forum I am told I am a liar. That would be the standard response.

What you are being told is that you are likely to be mistaken, and that there is a simple way to find out whether you are or not. Yes, you would then need to repeat the test under proper observing conditions to convince anyone else, that's always the case. But the first run is entirely for your own benefit, not ours, so it really doesn't matter how we respond.

 

[tusenfem]

The world is over-populated. This leads to a fight for resources. It leads to people grouping together to fight other groups.

Two clear examples are:
The rich get richer.
People practice xenophobia and racism.

I stated that the pandemic would result in social unrest. Racism may be a trigger but the result shows an underlying unrest.

The unrest will cause a spike in cases.

If the hurricane season is bad, that will only make things worse in the USA. Babies are not getting vaccinated. More death.

It just needs an earthquake to make a real mess of things.

And how is humankind dealing with over-population? With politicians asking for more babies. Stupid.

Wow, did you just find the "Club of Rome" paper on "the limits to growth" from 1972?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

The world is over-populated. This leads to a fight for resources. It leads to people grouping together to fight other groups.

There are fewer wars going on now than at any previous time in human history. This would be the opposite if your argument was correct.

Two clear examples are:
The rich get richer.

Global poverty is at its lowest level ever. The whole world is getting richer.

People practice xenophobia and racism.

Which they have always done. In the modern age, though, such beliefs are generally considered to be unacceptable, and are often illegal. Again, this is a vast improvement on the past.

I stated that the pandemic would result in social unrest.

Did you? I'd like to see the post, for the context. In any event, my dog could have made that prediction. And I haven't got a dog.

Racism may be a trigger but the result shows an underlying unrest.

So it wasn't the pandemic that caused the unrest, but you're going to claim it was anyway. Nope, sorry. Doesn't wash.
Oh, and to say that 'the unrest was caused by unrest' has to rank as one of the most pointless and banal arguments you have ever made. This proves absolutely nothing about your knowledge, or the special secrets imparted to you by your invisible friend.

The unrest will cause a spike in cases.

A disease spread by close contact will spread more where there is a lot of close contact. You really are on a roll today, aren't you?

If the hurricane season is bad, that will only make things worse in the USA. Babies are not getting vaccinated. More death.

It just needs an earthquake to make a real mess of things.

God, you're really loving this, aren't you?

And how is humankind dealing with over-population? With politicians asking for more babies. Stupid.

1. You have not proven the world is overpopulated. How have you established this as fact?
2. Many developed countries have falling birth rates. Even if the world was overpopulated, this would seem to be fixing itself.
3. I watch the Downing Street press conference most days. Not once have I heard any British politician calling for more babies. I keep up-to-date with world news too, and haven't seen anything I can recall from politicians of any country asking for more babies. The only reference I can find is from Japan, some 5 years ago, which has an aging population and a low birth rate, and those comments drew some criticism. Which specific politicians have done as you allege, and how extensively is this happening globally?
This is a link to the population growth percentage of South Africa. I should warn you that it doesn't entirely support your conclusions.

 

[Rincewind]

If God really wants to reduce the population, all He needs to do is to wave his fingers [or whatever] and reduce human fertility.

No need to kill anybody.

 

[bruto]

If God really wants to reduce the population, all He needs to do is to wave his fingers [or whatever] and reduce human fertility.

No need to kill anybody.

We have to keep up tradition. Mass drownings and plagues and killing sprees by his chosen hordes are more fun and appeal to the masses. Besides, God has to be careful never to do anything obvious or provable, because it would undermine his requirement for faith, a clever filter to keep out the quibbling riffraff (you know who I'm talking about, buddy). Limiting his actions and reasoning to those of a bronze age nomad is brilliant camouflage.

You see, that's why God speaks to people like PS, and not to troublemakers like you or that crazy wife of yours. He knows he'd get halfway through his usual rant about harlots and heretics and hellfire, and you'd be all like "wait wait" and "but but", and he'd have to start yelling, and you'd get all pissy and hang up, and he'd never get anything done.

 

[Hans]

You know that drinking radium is harmful. You have a bunch of people who say "Prove it - drink some". Ten randomized trials.

Would you do it? What excuses do you have?

I already know that emfs are harmful, and that my test will work. I would do them if I had observers who had the proper credentials so they would be believed. On this forum I am told I am a liar. That would be the standard response.

Then why continue to talk to us meanies?

 

[Hans]

If God really wants to reduce the population, all He needs to do is to wave his fingers [or whatever] and reduce human fertility.

No need to kill anybody.

This logical idea comes up a lot when frenzied God believers are into damning everything and saying 'He' is going to kill everyone with plagues, earthquakes, food poisoning, Ebola and now Covid. He could also just snap his metaphysical fingers and make a portion of the world's population just disappear and at the same time remove the memory of them from everyone else. Painless, effective, as is just reducing fertility or just the sex drive.

I mean if he can create trillions and trillions of stars - that would seem to be quite easy.

 

[PartSkeptic]

The excuse that everyone knows drinking radium is fatal. That's why millions of people do not spend all day every day drinking radium. Millions of people do spend all day every day sitting in a room with the wifi enabled. I'm doing so right now, and have been doing so for years.

Honestly, PS, this is the most pathetic argument yet. What on Earth are you afraid of? For the cost of a couple of hours discomfort you get the benefit of proving you were right all along. What are you waiting for?


If you really knew that you would not hesitate to do it to prove us all wrong. The only reason to not do it is that you secretly suspect the test would not work.


What you are being told is that you are likely to be mistaken, and that there is a simple way to find out whether you are or not. Yes, you would then need to repeat the test under proper observing conditions to convince anyone else, that's always the case. But the first run is entirely for your own benefit, not ours, so it really doesn't matter how we respond.

In the last two weeks, I have had to visit the house with the tower for brief periods (about 15 to 30 minutes at a time) for the electrician and today for the gardener. I took two pain tablets at 7 am and I did a delivery for the factory.

I am in agony. Not just a simple headache but one so bad that all I can do is sit on the sofa and close my eyes. Every day I suffer. I know it is the exposure. And you want a "test" to prove it. Unbelievable!

You realize that to do a proper test, I must have a routine where I have minimal exposure until the pain disappears. And so I can decrease my pain medication. Then I can do the test.

But life must go on. I do not have the luxury of going out to the country for 4 days to get stable. I should the tests there so that I have no exposure in between. I would be most happy for someone to pay for all of this, and take care of my responsibilities while doing the tests.

You guys prod me to so it so you have something else to find fault with. I suffer every day with emf harm. I had not realized that I have gotten so sensitive. How about you guys put some skin in the game? Fund me and find some credible observers to conduct the test?

By now you should all know the parameters. The effect is not instantaneous. It takes a bit of time. But when I sit here and suffer I am in little doubt as to the cause.

I do know that a test removes all doubt for others. It only needs one unequivocal test to show harm. I have just written this last sentence and the thought that pops into my minds is that "nothing is proof enough for some people". The merchants of doubt will find some mud to sling. And this forum will sing along.

 

[PartSkeptic]

This is all anecdotal evidence, and all of these people you mention have different symptoms. All you're saying is that in a given area, some people will get sick and we already knew that. I could do a similar "study" of people who drive red cars and I would find that some of them got cancer, some of them had a dog who was sad, and some of them had tinnitus. That wouldn't mean that red cars make people sick.

Have a look at the history of various illnesses and medical harm. How many of them relied upon anecdotal evidence to raise the alarm? Worse still, how many had "experts" telling people that the causes were things other than their product?

Off the top of my head.
Xrays for pregnant women
Radium watch dial painters
Thalidomide.
Fluoroquinilone.

You would be surprised at how many there are. New medications whose side effects slowly become apparent.

 

[Pixel42]

Have a look at the history of various illnesses and medical harm. How many of them relied upon anecdotal evidence to raise the alarm?

Yes, that's the process:

1. Make observations (anecdotes are fine at this point)
2. Form hypothesis that explains observations
3. Design test which attempts to disprove hypothesis whilst carefully excluding known sources of error
4. Execute test
5. If hypothesis disproved reject it and return to step 1
6. If hypothesis not disproved tentatively accept it, and continue to look for evidence both for and against it

As long as you refuse to go beyond step 3 no conclusions can be reached about your hypothesis. No, not even by you.

Worse still, how many had "experts" telling people that the causes were things other than their product?

Off the top of my head.
Xrays for pregnant women
Radium watch dial painters
Thalidomide.
Fluoroquinilone.

You would be surprised at how many there are. New medications whose side effects slowly become apparent.

Yes, some hypotheses turn out to be correct. Many, many others do not. There's only one way to find out which category yours is in.

 

[BStrong]

Then why continue to talk to us meanies?

Because to many on the margins, any kind of attention, even from folks that reject the nonsense, is attention and that serves it's purpose.

If they were ignored they'd look elsewhere for their attention fix

 

[Pixel42]

I am in agony. Not just a simple headache but one so bad that all I can do is sit on the sofa and close my eyes. Every day I suffer.

This is even more reason to test whether your hypothesis that it's EMF that is causing your symptoms is correct. Because if it isn't, then something else is causing them. As long as you assume a cause and refuse to test that assumption, you could be missing - and failing to avoid or treat - the real cause.

 

[Rincewind]

We have to keep up tradition. Mass drownings and plagues and killing sprees by his chosen hordes are more fun and appeal to the masses. Besides, God has to be careful never to do anything obvious or provable, because it would undermine his requirement for faith, a clever filter to keep out the quibbling riffraff (you know who I'm talking about, buddy). Limiting his actions and reasoning to those of a bronze age nomad is brilliant camouflage.

You see, that's why God speaks to people like PS, and not to troublemakers like you or that crazy wife of yours. He knows he'd get halfway through his usual rant about harlots and heretics and hellfire, and you'd be all like "wait wait" and "but but", and he'd have to start yelling, and you'd get all pissy and hang up, and he'd never get anything done.

I didn't realize that you'd spoken with Magrat on the phone!