Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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Tero said:
It would depend on where those blacks and Latinos are. Trump did not get many states with large urban populations. In the South, Trump got a large part of white voters, so it did not matter all that much if blacks voted or not.
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Sure, the South. Clinton wanted Florida, and there were euphoric/fevered hopes she could at one time carry Georgia, but the South was never in contention (apart from recently-turned Virginia and possibly N. Carolina). But Trump won three states by razor-thin margins, all in the North, all reliably Democratic. And it's not just the relative distribution of Black votes, but the fact not as many Black voters showed up. But Trump's ethnic coalition was not substantially different than previous Republican candidates (and there's reason to believe he did better among minorities).
 
Cain said:
Sure, the South. Clinton wanted Florida, and there were euphoric/fevered hopes she could at one time carry Georgia, but the South was never in contention (apart from recently-turned Virginia and possibly N. Carolina). But Trump won three states by razor-thin margins, all in the North, all reliably Democratic. And it's not just the relative distribution of Black votes, but the fact not as many Black voters showed up. But Trump's ethnic coalition was not substantially different than previous Republican candidates (and there's reason to believe he did better among minorities).
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Some little voice is whispering in my ear that may not happen again this November. Oh, yes....the voice of all those protesters.
 
All four officers in the Floyd death have been charged with "Murder - 2nd Degree - Without Intent - While Committing a Felony" They upgraded the charge because the 3rd Degree Murder charge was for murder without a specific victim. As explained by a former prosecutor on CNN, an example is shooting into a crowd or driving down the wrong side of the street. That would not apply in this case as Floyd was the intended object of the actions by Chauvin and the other 3 officers.

I think this should lay to rest the "intent" discussion.
 
varwoche said:
Pat Robertson
Mattis ... wow!
Esper
Two former joint chiefs
Two major crises bumbled badly
Majority of REPUBLICANS disapprove of how protests handled
Polls trending poorly

I dunno...
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I have no doubt The PDJT will soon be referencing a poll that shows him at "97% APPROVAL RATING!!!"

Captain_Swoop said:
Does anyone and I mean ANYONE believe Trump is 6'3" 244lbs? Anyone??? Bueller? Bueller?
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Ben Stein, maybe...
 
Stacyhs said:
Ivanka will know if Daddy is over being mad if he lets her 'inspect' the bunker with him again tonight.
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One of the Trump hanlders compared Trump inspecitng the bunker to Churchill inspecint bombed out ruins during the Battle of Britian.

Jesus Chirst, the stupidity never ends.
 
Just saw footage of the big protest in Boise Idaho.
Boise, just about the whitest city in America with a 1.5% Afro America population
SOmethning huge is going on here when you have big protest in Boise.
Nice city with beautiful Scenary, but not exactly a hotbed of activism.
 
dudalb said:
One of the Trump hanlders compared Trump inspecitng the bunker to Churchill inspecint bombed out ruins during the Battle of Britian.

Jesus Chirst, the stupidity never ends.
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I wasn't aware they stored undetonated bombs and rubble in the Presidential bunker.

ETA: I see Stachys has offered a correction. Same song, different dance.
 
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dudalb said:
One of the Trump hanlders compared Trump inspecitng the bunker to Churchill inspecint bombed out ruins during the Battle of Britian.

Jesus Chirst, the stupidity never ends.
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That was the Kayleigh McEninny. But she was referring to his brave walk to the church yesterday for his photo op.
 
Stacyhs said:
That was the Kayleigh McEninny. But she was referring to his brave walk to the church yesterday for his photo op.
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Winston has his faults..many of them..but cowardice was never one of them. and despite his flaws, he was the leader the UK needed in 1940.
 
dudalb said:
Winston has his faults..many of them..but cowardice was never one of them. and despite his flaws, he was the leader the UK needed in 1940.
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Agreed.

ETA: I hope the comparison includes this: Churchill had a debilitating stroke while PM.
 
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Expanding on my inchoate thoughts of Bush vs. Trump...

Bush secured the presidency via undemocratic institutions and questionable means. He received fewer votes than his opponent,then consolidated power, expanded the presidency, and took the country to endless wars through the usual means (lying). In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, he enjoyed higher than 90% approval ratings and Congress passed legislation like the PATRIOT Act. It was scary **** precisely because so many Americans suddenly supported it.

President Lysol's approval ratings never went near as high. He only knows how to divide; he's incapable of uniting. He has his share of intense followers, but they're idiots. Powerless idiots, mostly. Those in the political class who cheer him on are either self-interested grifters or taking advantage of the Orange nincompoop to achieve traditional Republican goals (such as tax cuts).

Trump's 40% of the country is not as terrifying to me, nor is his evangelical support. I can't help but :rolleyes: when dumb-***** like dudalb do their ****** Paul Revere impression to warn that a Civil War might be coming. Trump can't even open an umbrella; he's not going to set up a shadow government. He lacks elite support.

Trump's lawlessness harms institutions in the long run, but how many people did he kill with his Ukraine swindle? The self-enrichment matters, but how much is he bilking out of taxpayers? Trillions? Not even remotely close.

As with Bush, it's the incompetence that does the most damage. Perhaps the most personally frustrating thing is that he just shouldn't have ~40% approval. He's not slick enough to deserve that much support. Even Bush eventually dropped down to the lows 20s. It's like when Hillary Clinton once remarked about the polls, "I'm up by 10 but I should be up by 50."
 
grunion said:
Maybe it is the time for police and military personnel of conscience to defy illegal orders.
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Looks to me like Milley’s memo to the Joint Force today is giving Service members cover to do just that.
 
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