Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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Pentagon officials say it was the White House, not the Defense Department, pushing for military might in the streets—with Trump seeking details on “tanks” that could be used.

Less than 24 hours after President Trump said he was prepared to send troops into cities across America, senior officials in the Pentagon began to try to distance themselves from those words and from the idea itself, underscoring that not one governor had requested additional military assistance from Defense Secretary Mark Esper.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/pentagon-tries-to-retreat-from-trumps-call-to-dominate-protests
 
SezMe said:
You said (and I'm quoting here) "the executive branch". My bold. That's not how one refers to multiple executive branches. I stand by my inference of the federal level.
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Incorrect. It is how I refer to the executive branch at any level. And what would make you think the federal level was implied, anyway? The executive branch of the state/county works, too, you know.

Nice try; didn't work.
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What a bizarre thing to get snarky about. You seem to agree they are part of the executive branch, you simply object to my use of the definite article. :rolleyes:
 
dudalb said:
Trump obession with the term "Domination" in his recent tweets just provides even more proof that man basically want to be a dictator.
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Or he’s been reading twitter or YouTube where conservatives often claim to “dominate” the Libs. See - Ben Shapiro, Owen Shroyer, etc.
 
Going to be another rough night.
I think it would be smart tactic for the legitimage demonstrators to observe the curfews and totally dissoaciate themselves from the looters exploitating the situation, but they seem unable to keep themsleved from defying "The Man" even if it would help their cause to do so.
 
dudalb said:
Going to be another rough night.
I think it would be smart tactic for the legitimage demonstrators to observe the curfews and totally dissoaciate themselves from the looters exploitating the situation, but they seem unable to keep themsleved from defying "The Man" even if it would help their cause to do so.
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But would it help their cause? Or would Trump simply crow about how getting “tough” sure taught those scum a lesson?
 
phiwum said:
Never mind that.
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Just a brief dismissal? No reasoning for that dismissal? Not even a philosophical BS argument for why the dismissal does or does not exist?

That is very interesting. But I am unsure if it is even possible to recover from that gaffe.

You have an uphill struggle ahead and nobody is willing to chuck a rope.
 
Maybe it is the time for police and military personnel of conscience to defy illegal orders.
 
dudalb said:
I think it would be smart tactic for the legitimage demonstrators to observe the curfews
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That's not how protests meant to spark change work. You don't protest on their terms; they'll have you kettled off "protesting" in a fenced-in area in a back alley before you know it. Where there are no cameras or cell reception to film the cops beating the **** out of you anyway.

Curfews are made to be broken because society is broken.
 
grunion said:
Maybe it is the time for police and military personnel of conscience to defy illegal orders.
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That's short sighted. You do that and all you accomplish is to consolidate the power of people in authority who aren't "of conscience."

A good cop/soldier can do far more good then a good former cop/soldier.

There's a video shared yesterday/day or so back of one cop forcibly taking his partner's knee of a protester's neck. How would the world be better if there as not "good cop" there to stop the "bad cop?"

Quitting cleans your conscious, it doesn't actually improve the situation.

Do you want to live in a world were all cops are Derek Chauvin because everyone who isn't is "too good" to be one?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Do you want to live in a world were all cops are Derek Chauvin because everyone who isn't is "too good" to be one?
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I'd like to live in a world where cops can disobey an illegal order without having to resign to do so.

Besides, is a good cop who covers for a bad cop in order to keep being a cop really that good of a cop?
 
One thing about the Kodak moment at Trump’s House-O-Self-Worship that struck me was how small and insignificant he looked. No gravitas or grandeur, no stateliness or charisma. Cautioning myself against seeing what I wanted to see, I simply couldn’t get past the thought: This guy?

Once removed from his trappings, separated from his framing devices, he just looked small. Well, smaller.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
That's short sighted. You do that and all you accomplish is to consolidate the power of people in authority who aren't "of conscience."

A good cop/soldier can do far more good then a good former cop/soldier.

There's a video shared yesterday/day or so back of one cop forcibly taking his partner's knee of a protester's neck. How would the world be better if there as not "good cop" there to stop the "bad cop?"

Quitting cleans your conscious, it doesn't actually improve the situation.

Do you want to live in a world were all cops are Derek Chauvin because everyone who isn't is "too good" to be one?
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No one said anything about quitting. Defying illegal orders is what undermines fascism.

Tennessee National Guard Troops Lay Down Shields To Stand With Protestors
 
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